hello everyone.. first post here.
long time follower of this website, probably 4 years now.
i've known about ttatt since ive been 18, im now 22 going on 23 but still go to meetings because of parents.
I've known about TTATT since i've been 18, im now 22 going on 23 but still go to meetings because of parents. Pretty standard for someone who is still living at home.
I can never understand things like this.. if my parents are cultists.. I would not follow them in their cult out of sheer politeness.
just a wee warning on following links to jwtalk (jwt).
if you are a member there then it is very easy for the mods to identify if you have come in from this site.
they will then ban you.. so, if you are member here and trying to lurk there then don't click on any links to jwt, just copy and paste the link into a new browser tab..
i notice that while a search of the wt library reveals many references to homosexuals, there are few references to lesbians.. does the wts include women when it uses the term homosexual?.
when discussing masturbation, does it mention both sexes?.
i am asking out of pure ignorance, seeking clarification.. my only comment is that religion of every shade has difficulty with the subject of sexual activity, as if it were something that is not part of nature.. doug.
The Org really has little faith in its men.. homosexuality is almost entirely used in a male context.. and even child abuse they believe is an entirely all male activity.
On their website in an article on protecting children from sexual abuse the abuser is described as exclusively male using the term 'he' 18 times in just 4 paragraphs to describe the perpetrator.
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007362?q=child+abuse&p=par
A PATTERN OF SEDUCTION
An abuser is likely to be too clever to use force on his victims. Rather, he may prefer to seduce children gradually. He begins by selecting a target, often a child who seems vulnerable and trusting, thus relatively easy to control. Next, he singles out that child for special attention. He may also try to win the trust of the child’s parents. Molesters are often expert at pretending to be sincerely interested in the child and the family.
In time, the molester will begin grooming the child for abuse. He gradually becomes more physical with the child through innocent-looking displays of affection, playful wrestling, and tickling. He may give generous gifts and begin to separate the child from friends, siblings, and parents, in order to spend time alone with the child. At some point he may ask the child to keep some minor secret from the parents—perhaps a gift or plans for some future excursion. Such tactics set the stage for seduction. When the abuser has won the child’s trust and that of the parents, he is ready to make his move.
Again, he is likely to be subtle about it rather than violent or forceful. He may exploit the child’s natural curiosity about sex, offering to act as a “teacher,” or he may suggest that they play a “special game” together that only they will know about. He may try exposing the child to pornography in order to make such behavior seem normal.
If he succeeds in molesting the child, he is now eager to ensure that the child does not tell anyone about it. He may use a variety of tactics, including threats, blackmail, and blame, or perhaps a combination of these. For example, he may say: “It’s your fault. You didn’t tell me to stop.” He may add: “If you tell your parents, they’ll call the police and send me to jail forever.” Or he may say: “It’s our secret. If you tell, no one will believe you. If your parents ever do find out, I will hurt them.” There is no end to the devious and malicious tactics such individuals will try.
Not a single she to be found.
i notice that while a search of the wt library reveals many references to homosexuals, there are few references to lesbians.. does the wts include women when it uses the term homosexual?.
when discussing masturbation, does it mention both sexes?.
i am asking out of pure ignorance, seeking clarification.. my only comment is that religion of every shade has difficulty with the subject of sexual activity, as if it were something that is not part of nature.. doug.
Since 1986 the term 'lesbianism' seems to have been used only 4 times in Watchtower literature and the term 'lesbian' 11 times.
'Homosexual' 68 times.. and 'homosexuality' 142 times.
So it seems they think the boys are at it more then the girls.
i notice that while a search of the wt library reveals many references to homosexuals, there are few references to lesbians.. does the wts include women when it uses the term homosexual?.
when discussing masturbation, does it mention both sexes?.
i am asking out of pure ignorance, seeking clarification.. my only comment is that religion of every shade has difficulty with the subject of sexual activity, as if it were something that is not part of nature.. doug.
The term homosexual includes women too by the way.
Dictionary definition.
Homosexual
adjective
1.
Sexually attracted to people of one's own sex.
someone on facebook posted john 3:16 where it says people will live forever.. not that i believe it, but i just cannot imagine this.
this, to me, would be the true hell.. if i'm very lucky, i will live to be 100. at nearly half that, already some parts of life no longer hold much interest to me.
even tv shows.
I feel genuinely sad for all those brilliant minds who used their whole life to study and research one single subject - such as the functions of the brain - but die in old age, never having got the answers.
I agree.. but all those brilliant needed was a few hundred years at tops. Try a trillion, billion, zillion years and then some.. no subject at all is that fascinating it can keep you busy for eternity. An eternity of research and study simply working out the wonder of how everything works? That sounds like 'Awake Magazine' syndrome where intellectual research is the only purpose to living and being 'Awake' only means knowing how everything works..
Is it not often true that once you take a thing apart and discover how it actually works you remove and kill the awe and wonder of it?
'For all those brilliant minds'.. in a world where everyone will be perfect there will be no more brilliant minds as each person will have an equally brilliant mind. I can see that too losing its novelty very fast. Smart asses everywhere. 'Brilliant mind' is a relative term, invented by those that are dense and stupid. Once everyone has one there is no more brilliance but only norms.
Even being with 'loved ones' endlessly seems over rated. An eternity with the wife and kids? Really? Most people I now have trouble spending more than 24 hours with their spouses and they can't wait for their kids to bugger off and move out.
someone on facebook posted john 3:16 where it says people will live forever.. not that i believe it, but i just cannot imagine this.
this, to me, would be the true hell.. if i'm very lucky, i will live to be 100. at nearly half that, already some parts of life no longer hold much interest to me.
even tv shows.
Village Idiot:
GodZoo, multiply 8 planets out of which 1 has life times 100 million and you'll get an idea of what lies ahead. Our little camera thrown out in space by a bottle rocket is no match for the pulse nuclear spaceships and the thousand mile wide space telescopes of the future.
By the way, that scripture you cite is not in Psalm 27 which doesn't have a verse 39.
Thank you for pointing out the typo:
Psalm 37:29 "And the righteous ones inherit the Earth and dwell upon it for eternity.
According to the Bible we are not going anywhere..
Pulse rockets? Science fiction is called fiction for a reason.
Nuclear pulse propulsion is a common feature of hard science fiction stories, as the idea offers high thrust and/or high specific impulse drives without requiring new physics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stories_featuring_nuclear_pulse_propulsion
someone on facebook posted john 3:16 where it says people will live forever.. not that i believe it, but i just cannot imagine this.
this, to me, would be the true hell.. if i'm very lucky, i will live to be 100. at nearly half that, already some parts of life no longer hold much interest to me.
even tv shows.
Vanderhoven:
As near as I can make out our purpose now is to live holy (displaying the fruit of the Spirit) lives to the glory of God. By faith, I accept that just as we have purpose here on earth, using our gifts to enrich self and others, God will further enrich us for roles/tasks in eternity.
Enriching ourselves and others is finite and at some point logically will be complete. You can only 'enrich' so far before you hit saturation point. Then once everyone reaches perfection and 'tears are no more' and God 'satisfies the desire of every living thing'.. there will be nothing else anyone can ever do for anyone else as you will be completely content and satisfied in every way.
What then?
As for 'tasks in eternity'
That work task is equated with some pretty life numbing and banal synonyms: job, duty, chore, charge, labour, piece of work, piece of business, assignment, function, commission, mission, engagement, occupation, undertaking, exercise, business, responsibility, errand, detail, endeavour, quest, problem, burden.
Sounds Like an eternity of elder given assignments. I can not imagine anything worse.
Tenacious:
I agree with Village Idiot in that, and this is considering planets and stars still, to this day, continue to be formed, we might eventually become space travelers exploring other planets, stars, and galaxies.
We are doing that already and so far they are all lifeless, cold and dead and unable to support any form of life.
We should also not forget that the Bible itself clearly contradicts this fantasy of space travel and galactic exploration.
Psalm 27:39
'And the righteous ones inherit the Earth and dwell upon it for eternity.'
The idea of never dying and living for eternity does have it's appeal but not for any of the reasons organised religion or fantasy theorists offer.
i have some updates and new information on the downsizing in bethel.
25% of all bethelites around the world will be sent home.
in the us over 1,000 will be sent home.
Dam.. I was just about to quit university send in my application..
Could This Be the Best Career for You?
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2001205
a woman who was raped by her brother as a child has won justice but paid the heavy price of being disowned by her jehovah's witness parents.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/victim-says-can-never-forgive-6612185
but it unfortunately happens - among JWs and nonJWs.
It amazes me when people make almost excusing statements like that saying that JW's are just the same as everyone else and that it's basically normal that these abhorrent things happen among them too.
Well actually it's not normal at all.. because 'normal' people are just that.. 'normal'. But JW's claim to be God's chosen select people, they claim to live by the very highest strict moral code, they claim to be led by the Holy Spirit and that they dwell in a spiritual paradise of a worldwide loving brotherhood where children can live protected in safety and security. The average 'non-JW' make none of these claims.
They are always blowing their trumpet saying that they are the only good people on earth.. the only true honest people on earth, the only ones who do not go to or support war etc, the only ones educated in God's loving righteous ways.. God's Holy, separate and special people'.
But when it becomes apparent as the Australian Royal Commision has made glaringly clear they are just as sick, perverse, twisted, hypocritical and corrupt as the those they constantly condemn they fall back on: 'Oh but these things happen in other religions and groups too".
I think we can safely say that most here in this forum know that to be an utter load of bollox.
