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  Update on my recently disfellowshipped niece

  by keyser soze in

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  i had posted about a month ago that my niece, who just turned 15, was getting disfellowshipped.

  i learned this past weekend that she tried to commit suicide.

  between being df'd, and her dad not being around, it became too much for her.

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  GrreatTeacher

  I think she was disfellowshipped first and then became suicidal due to the disfellowshipping.

  I wonder what the branch thinks of that scenario.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Supernatural cause and effect is not believed in globally, and that is what you are arguing.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  This beginning without a cause being a problem thing is silly.

  Beginnings are simply Endings of something else.

  This is not a new concept and is part and parcel of hindu thought in which there is a trinity of gods, including Brahma the creator and Shiva the destroyer (as well as Vishnu the preserver).

  This Trinity expresses the idea that beginnings are simply the new expression of endings. They are part and parcel of each other.

  Needing a Causer is very Western thought.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Every Friday begins without a cause, and all rejoice.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  I think I know why this is so important to you: you have started at the end - I believe in god - and are now going backwards looking for data that supports your conclusion (that you somehow, in contravention of logic and reason, have started with.)
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Don't be disingenuous.

  We all know your belief is that the first cause is God with a capital G.

  That is not at all the same conversation that scientists are having about the beginning of the universe.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  "must by necessity?" exist outside of space-time?

  Either that, or there was no first cause, but a rather slow arising of organic chemical compounds along the lines of the way we know things work in organic chemistry.

  Why would one go to the extreme of jumping out of space-time!?!
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  Anti-Gay Cartoon Still Making Rounds: George Takei weighs in

  by freemindfade in

  1. social
  2. current

  i also heard the video was being discussed on howard stern today.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Remember when Joe Camel was a cartoon advertisement for Camel cigarettes?

  The courts finally decided that since it was a cartoon it was a violation of the law against marketkng to minors, and the Joe Camel campaign was stopped?

  This is what is so upsetting to me: it's a cartoon and the audience is children.

  I've known kids who grew up JWs when I did and told me they never really paid attention at the meetings and didn't really understand the teachings.

  With all of this direct-to-children advertisement, it seems unlikely that that could ever happen again.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  GrreatTeacher

  Indeed, and what caused th Causer to exist?
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  Even heard of Brown's Wonder Salve? Pioneers (colporters) used to sell with with the publications.

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i saw this old news article posted on another forum:.

  http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030431/1917-02-04/ed-1/seq-52/.

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  GrreatTeacher

  See Wild Thing's post "A Picture of the First Bethel" from yesterday.

  There's a newspaper clipping with that information that I commented on.

  Miracle Wheat, Brown's Wonder Salve and the Watchtower magazine; all brought to you by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society!