the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
Perry, we all know you believe God is the supernatural cause that was the beginning of the space-time Universe.
You doth protest too much with your pseudo-scientific reductive reasoning.
The pieces of your argument don't fit, we have provided alternate points of view which are not acceptable to you, and so there is no sense in my continuing.
i had posted about a month ago that my niece, who just turned 15, was getting disfellowshipped.
i learned this past weekend that she tried to commit suicide.
between being df'd, and her dad not being around, it became too much for her.
Keyser, I am so excited that you are providing support for her and that she is feeling better. I'm glad she is getting good treatment.
Could you subtly point out to your sister that further involvement in the organization wluld likely be bad fof her mental health?
Some JWs seem to believe that suicide attempts after disfellowshipping are because of shame at having done something so bad that they needed to be disfellowshipped instead of the horrible practice of disfellowshipping itself.
i had posted about a month ago that my niece, who just turned 15, was getting disfellowshipped.
i learned this past weekend that she tried to commit suicide.
between being df'd, and her dad not being around, it became too much for her.
I think she was disfellowshipped first and then became suicidal due to the disfellowshipping.
I wonder what the branch thinks of that scenario.
the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
This beginning without a cause being a problem thing is silly.
Beginnings are simply Endings of something else.
This is not a new concept and is part and parcel of hindu thought in which there is a trinity of gods, including Brahma the creator and Shiva the destroyer (as well as Vishnu the preserver).
This Trinity expresses the idea that beginnings are simply the new expression of endings. They are part and parcel of each other.
Needing a Causer is very Western thought.
the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
Don't be disingenuous.
We all know your belief is that the first cause is God with a capital G.
That is not at all the same conversation that scientists are having about the beginning of the universe.
the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
"must by necessity?" exist outside of space-time?
Either that, or there was no first cause, but a rather slow arising of organic chemical compounds along the lines of the way we know things work in organic chemistry.
Why would one go to the extreme of jumping out of space-time!?!
i also heard the video was being discussed on howard stern today.
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Remember when Joe Camel was a cartoon advertisement for Camel cigarettes?
The courts finally decided that since it was a cartoon it was a violation of the law against marketkng to minors, and the Joe Camel campaign was stopped?
This is what is so upsetting to me: it's a cartoon and the audience is children.
I've known kids who grew up JWs when I did and told me they never really paid attention at the meetings and didn't really understand the teachings.
With all of this direct-to-children advertisement, it seems unlikely that that could ever happen again.
