Posts by WingCommander

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Christian priorities and holidays

by jurs in

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even when i was a jw i thought it odd that witnesses gave so much importance to holidays.

when i was studying, i was bogged down with how awful they were because they are pagan and how wrong it was to celebrate.

it seems to me like more attention was donated to the issue of holidays than what the meat of christianity is.

WingCommander

So, it doesn't matter that holidays have pagan origins??

Pagans practiced human sacrifice - if that were part of Christmas, would you still do it??? Rediculous. I'm sorry, I don't find ANY pagan practice "harmless", no matter how "innocent" it has become down through the ages.....do you all really think that makes it ok? I wouldn't think that God would think so!!!

I'm sure this post will get a flood of "Christmas is soo good and loving" responses. Sheesh. :)

Don't let me stop you from mixing pagan and Christian views together.............keep celebrating the Sun.......errrr.......Christ's birth!!

Wing Commander :)

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Memorial: Tribute to Jesus, or fashion show??

by WingCommander in

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while i'm not a regular as much as i used to be (maybe get to the hall 10 times a year), i always give praise and thanks to jehovah and his son jesus as requested in the bible on the appropriate day.

i have never missed a memorial.

whether or not i agree with everything the gb or watchtower puts out or says, is irrelevant.

WingCommander

While I'm not a regular as much as I used to be (maybe get to the Hall 10 times a year), I always give praise and thanks to Jehovah and His son Jesus as requested in the Bible on the appropriate day. I have never missed a Memorial.

Whether or not I agree with everything the GB or Watchtower puts out or says, is irrelevant. To me, this is an occasion on which to put everything else aside in life, and concentrate on Jesus' sacrifice and what it means to us. I do not celebrate Easter in any way, as I feel it's a mochary and tainted with Pagan origins. (C'mon, all you ex-jw's even have to agree with alot of pagan origins in holidays)

My question is, how many of you are from congregations that made the Memorial seem more like a fashion show, or a stage on which to show off, instead of a tribute to Jesus' memory? I feel it has gotten worse in recent years. I find it very annoying, rude, and uncomfortable when I go to the memorial and everyone has their cars all washed and waxed, (or have brand new cars they are showing off) and they are in new designer suits or designer gowns. I feel it is like going to the Oscars, having to show up in the best, and try to out do everyone else in materialism. ESPECIALLY, when they try to get as many "worldy" or "outsiders" to attend to view the religion. They all seem to forget that every other religious organization doesn't require their congregation members to wear business attire to services. So most worldy/outsiders/new ones come in jeans, shirts, casual clothing, etc. Imagine how they must feel - probably like crap, or 2 cents. It would be like going to the Opera in farmer's clothing. Embarrasing, in my opinion.

I must admit to doing it as well, in order to not appear "out of order." But at least I just show up, sit down, and listen. I'm not gossiping, flaunting my new possesions, kissing up to the overseer, annoited ones, or whomever. Oh yeah, I don't pretend to like everyone and kiss everyone's behind I haven't seen in forever either, even though I dislike some of them.

What are your thoughts on how the Memorial is run? While everyone should be on there best behavior, I don't feel it should be some kind of fashion show. Remember, Christ was humble, not rich. I think a letter from the GB is well overdue. (by a few years!)

Thanks - Wing Commander

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VENT about JWs!

by Sirona in

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this is just a little bit of venting because i need it!

also i need to know what you think / your experiences.. ok. i leave jws and after a while i feel great about it.

i express how i feel to jws - they think i'm persecuting them!.

WingCommander

Good post, I know what you are talking about. Their "High & Mighty" attitudes seem far from following Jesus' humble example. And their attitude that going to all the meetings every week will somehow solve all of life's problems are rediculous.

I feel strongly that, "God helps those whom help themselves." It's been my experience as well that they ask you to attend all the meetings, but NEVER offer to lift a finger to help you out, physically, finacially, or otherwise. Just PRAY MORE.

Wing Commander

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Micheal Jackson: Bubbles isn't the only victim...

by WingCommander in

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just felt i would address the mj issue seperate from the below posts.

all of mj's problems started with the jw's.

it's very obvious.

WingCommander

No, I didn't know that about Janet. She's incredibly hot, though. And I do agree, her face looks like Micheal, but they all kinda look alike. And I don't doubt she is twice as strong as MJ ever was.

Weird about the ribs, but she does really have a flat stomach. I was really shocked when I heard the rumors about her dating Justin Timberlake from N-SYNC. She is WAAAY better than that!!

You're not bad looking yourself!!

Wing Commander :)

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Micheal Jackson: Bubbles isn't the only victim...

by WingCommander in

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just felt i would address the mj issue seperate from the below posts.

all of mj's problems started with the jw's.

it's very obvious.

WingCommander

Just felt I would address the MJ issue seperate from the below posts. All of MJ's problems started with the JW's. It's very obvious. His parents were slave drivers, only interested in religion, and the making of alot of $$$$$$.

Being alone and shy, MJ felt very self-conscience at a young age. He didn't accept himself, even though he was a rising star. That's why he's done all of the surgeries, he's still running after the physical image that he wants for himself. He may also have that skin condition that causes white patches on people of African descent. (there is such a condition)

From childhood on up, he's been a mess. I feel he is partially a victim of his environment. Who knows about that whole pedophile accusations against him? Are they true? Who knows? If so, I WONDER where he learned it from, as pedophilia is a learned condition at times - the victim growing up and then becoming an abuser.

This is just a case of a rich JW living in his own little "Neverland" world for the entirety of his life. I feel sorry for his children....while they might have all the money they'll ever need, they will have to contend with MJ spanking his monkey, "Bubbles." His children, pets, and yes.....poor Bubbles all are going to be victims of need of Prozac in a few short years.

As for the dangling, I think he was trying to show off his child to the media, and it looked weird. He may have realized his mistake then, and quickly withdrew the child. Either way, I'm sure the Elders will give him a good monkey spanking for such unholy behavior.

When I was growing up in the 80's, everyone knew MJ was a Dub. But it was all "hush-hush" when the "Thriller" video came out. He was really cool back then. Nothing topped him. After Thriller, the talk was of how DEMON POSSESSED he must be.........evil, evil.....bad man, verrrry baaaaad man!! When in reality, he stopped giving the old men at the WT big monthly contributions towards their swiss bank accounts.........Errrrr, WorldWide Work. No one buy his CD's or listen to his music, was the message. Funny, no one is saying that about the Venus sisters yet, guess they are still "contributing" every month. It's ok that they act so worldly, materialistic, showy, proud, etc, etc, etc. We'll let that slide as long as we keep seeing the $$$$$$$.

MJ - good music, poor childhood, weird adulthood. I wish he would have stayed the same as the great performer I knew growing up. Now he is just an oddity, and sexy Janet's older, freaky brother. Ummmm..........Janet!! :)

Wing Commander :)

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Micheal Jackson....in trouble!

by RubyTuesday in

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the la district attorney says since the "abuse" ocurred out of our jurisdiction that they cannot file criminal charges (hopefully germany will) against micheal jackson.he does say however that they are working on a way to .

(.now this is second hand info..i'm looking for an article on this ) to take the child or children away from him.. did you see the footage of him taking the kids to the zoo yesterday.he had burkas on them.what is this guy thinking?

WingCommander

All of MJ's problems started with the JW's. It's very obvious. His parents were Nazi's, only interested in religion, and the making of alot of $$$$$$.

Being alone and shy, MJ felt very self-conscience at a young age. He didn't accept himself, even though he was a rising star. That's why he's done all of the surgeries, he's still running after the physical image that he wants for himself. He may also have that skin condition that causes white patches on people of African descent. (there is such a condition)

From childhood on up, he's been a mess. I feel he is partially a victim of his environment. Who knows about that whole pedophile accusations against him? Are they true? Who knows? If so, I WONDER where he learned it from, as pedophilia is a learned condition at times - the victim growing up and then becoming an abuser.

This is just a case of a rich JW living in his own little "Neverland" world for the entirety of his life. I feel sorry for his children....while they might have all the money they'll ever need, they will have to contend with MJ spanking his monkey, "Bubbles."

As for the dangling, I think he was trying to show off his child to the media, and it looked weird. He may have realised his mistake then, and quickly withdrew the child. Either way, I'm sure the Elders will give him the monkey spanking for such unholy behavior.

Wing Commander :)

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Hello, just thought I'd share my newbie story

by WingCommander in

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since i am new on this forum, just thought i'd share my story.

(though it seems typical on here) born into jw's.

parent's nutty jw friends told them to raise children like nazi's, and not allow them to do anything, or associate with anyone other than jw kids.

WingCommander

Hello all:

Since I am new on this forum, just thought I'd share my story. (Though it seems typical on here) Born into JW's. Parent's nutty JW friends told them to raise children like Nazi's, and not allow them to do anything, or associate with anyone other than JW kids. Never saw cousins till I was 12, as parents didn't even associate with brothers, sisters, or their own parents. Childhood not all bad, with the exception of being made an A$$ out of at school. Left out of everything, never saw invitations to parties, as of course, parents threw them out immediately. I didn't miss the holidays, as I do feel they are pretty pagan. Girls all liked me, but of course, no REAL social skills means no friends, and being completely shy. Didn't have a real woman till I was 17, whom showed me the "in's & outs" of a real relationship. Of course, she wasn't a JW, so I'm going in direct violation of God. Nevermind that she was sweet and sincere. Studied with breifly at 12, but elder was too busy to finish, so never got baptized. All 'A's in school, but god forbid, don't take and academic courses or look to college. You are just supposed to magically own a construction business, and be able to pay bills while Pioneering. If you don't pioneer, and make all 10 meetings a week, while no one gives a shit about you. You are either supposed to own a construction business, or clean toilets and live in a hut, while somehow supporting a family. Oh, and you'd BETTER wear designer clothes to the Memorial every year, and somehow show up in a nice new clean car, or you are just $HIT again. There is no "middle cliche" in the JW's.....you are either rich with everything, or you are poor, and longing for a better life while being accused of being materialistic. What a bunch of double-talk!! The congregation I attended while growing up was very nice, but when it split, everyone spilled into rich congregations, and it was all downhill from there. While in school, all other JW's were the worst in classes, smoked, did drugs, screwed whomever. But don't ever even SUGGEST to their nieve, stupid, blinded parents that their little JW angels would ever even think a naughty thought, much less carry one out. So of course, they were little lord fauntlaroy's at the Kingdom Hall, and complete Hethans during the week at school. How do I know this? Why, I'm the one at the tender age of 12 getting the shit kicked out of me by a 14 year old JW (son of elder) at school, who was a bully and a liar. How dare I accuse this prestigous elders son of doing something like that!! Those pictures my parents took of my bruises must just be an illusion???? So of course, I get the talking to for "making up lies," and not having 2 other witnesses present. Guess the school yard full of kids doesn't count.

Anyway, that was it for me. End of the innosence. Still believe in the truth....but somehow have to support myself. Time to get a real job, training, etc. God blessed me with a great job at 16, after taking some early college courses ahead of schedule. Career went "up" since then. Made some money, took some more classes. Saved money, got a brand new car at 18, took some more classes. Then, parent's get terminally ill. Even though they reguarily attended, no one lifts a finger to help, or even call. Meals? You make them. Somehow, WORLDLY neighbors talk, and they are the ones that bring food and ask about us. Hmmm.........Satan must really be at work guiding these neighbors to help us!! What are we suggested to do more of? Go out PIONEERING! Like we really have time for that during a crisis. What a pile of dung!

Get internet, discover UN NGO scandal, pedophile cover-ups (no surprise), and much more. Feel sad for all the gualible, nieve, ignorant people stuck in their own little world, wishing everyone else was dead, no matter if they are good or not.

Sigh, that's most of it. Feeling better now that I got that off my chest. I'm sure it's nothing you all haven't heard before. Don't consider myself an apostate, as I'm only ranting about treatment and cover-ups, not against God in any way. Just wish these people would get a clue, a life, and come out of the waking coma's they all appear to be in.

Thanks - WingCommander :)

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A Midlife Crisis?

by Tinkerbell4125 in

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we moved to a new area, bought a house in the country to be closer to cc's office.

i left a good business *hair stylist and make-up artist*.

i haven't worked in about 2 years.

WingCommander

I think you should be out Pioneering more! This would solve your question as to what to do.....you NEVER get bored out in field service! And putting in 120 hours a month would make you feel sooooo good!

Yep........don't even think of doing something as WORLDLY as wanting to have a job, that is very materialistic of you, and is a sign that Satan is working on you. Why feel guilty for not working? You should obviously feel guilty for not getting enough service hours in every month.

lol! I'm being sarcastic, of course. :)

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Ever hear of the "Three-Brain"???

by WingCommander in

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i am a "newbie" on here, so you'll have to bere with me.

my question is, have any of you heard about a group of scam artists going around to the congregations trying to peddle their version of self-healing crap???

this was about 10-12 years ago in the usa.

WingCommander

RubyTuesday:

Probably shouldn't say this as I'm new to this forum, but if that is you in that picture than I must say you're a good lookin dub/ex-dub!! lol. :) Let me lock onto you with my radar!!

Anyway, yes, I find that ironic that they were so nieve to be scammed like that. They always claim to be so "informed", yet they lack common street smarts and much of any sense.

Wing Commander

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Ever hear of the "Three-Brain"???

by WingCommander in

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i am a "newbie" on here, so you'll have to bere with me.

my question is, have any of you heard about a group of scam artists going around to the congregations trying to peddle their version of self-healing crap???

this was about 10-12 years ago in the usa.

WingCommander

Hello! I am a "newbie" on here, so you'll have to bere with me. :)

My question is, have any of you heard about a group of scam artists going around to the congregations trying to peddle their version of self-healing crap??? This was about 10-12 years ago in the USA. Apparently, they were a group of men, whom claimed to be giving a seminar on a new self-healing/mystic type thing that was approved by the GB!! They were founded by 3 men, and hence the name "Three-Brain."

This is how it went: These guys came in from California, gave a free seminar that was supposedly approved by the GB, than at the end offered for sale their literature on how to "test the body" (ora, electrical field of body, etc) for a nice profit. Right off the bat, I was very leary when approached by a family friend. There were like 3 congregations in my area that were all into it. Errr.....being Dupped! This was crazy stuff! Also, the claimed to be able to identify multiple personalities in people. One person in particular in my congregation was told she had 300 different persons in her! Crazy!! I remember my friend asking me to hold out my arms, close my eyes, and then he would ask my body (not me directly), if he could "test the body". This was how they supposedly indirectly asked your body if you had any ailment, problems, etc. The only problem I thought people had in the congregation after that, was being completely nieve!

Then, as quickly as it all started, it disappeared. Swept under the rug, never to dare be mentioned again, just like 1975 or 1914. How dumb they all were for be suckered so easily. Duhhh......what was 1914? Never heard of it. But we all remember, don't we??

Any comments? Anyone else heard of this? I am curious as to what the GB excuse/explanation was for these obvious scam artists. :) Thanks for taking time to read this. :) - Wing Commander

Edited by - WingCommander on 20 November 2002 10:0:19