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  Gorby's visit to the memorial 2014

  by Gorbatchov in

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  since a week ago, gorby was a little nervous.

  last years memorial was the last meeting he visited at the local hall.

  since then, they all were faders.

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  WingCommander

  So now you know, don't go back. Waste of time with posuers.
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  Classic repost from AlltimeJeff; recently completely - Free!

  by WingCommander in

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  i wanted to give this very public shout-out and congratulations to alltimejeff, who i have come to find out had turned in his letter of da, twice, then was read out at the meeting recently.

  for those not knowing, atf was a 2005 gilead graduate, bethelite, missionary.

  they mean the leadership.

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  WingCommander

  I wanted to give this very public shout-out and congratulations to AlltimeJeff, who I have come to find out had turned in his letter of DA, twice, then was read out at the meeting recently. For those not knowing, ATF was a 2005 Gilead graduate, Bethelite, Missionary. Going thru Gilead was actually what truly "woke him up," as the following classic post from him below will show. I encourage any "Newbies" or "Lurkers" on here to read this, and really THINK about what he is saying about what he was "taught" at the Gilead school. In all honesty, I wish I had seen something like this 15-20 years ago. It is an absolutely startling look into what is really taught at the higher levels of this high-control group. He clearly describes how the "bait and switch" tactic is used once a newly interested person has been recruited. All credit and thanks should be directed to AlltimeJeff. I have reposted this from another friendly XJW forum, and hope that they don't mind as many members cross-post on a lot of these similar forums. - Wing Commander

  Here is his post........

  "Every now and then when I visit this forum, I feel an obligation to tell what I can and be supportive. Of course, my JW experience, esp the last 3 years of it leading up to Gilead, going to Africa, coming back and resigning from the group, has absolutely drained me to the point that I contribute when I can, but it isn't very much. It is very tiring for me, but also cathartic at the same time to come here and share what I can.
  
  It is in that spirit that I write this now, a desire to demystify JW's, those who leave, and the current doctrine that this group teaches, esp for those who are newly investigating this group for their own reasons.
  
  I was in the 119th class of Gilead in 2005. From the time I graduated, it was another year or so before I resigned. In that time, all the pieces came together.
  
  JW's are taught and conditioned to respect their visible leaders, even though they pay lip service to Jesus as their leader. I got to see the 'pecking' order, and after I graduated, briefly joined it. My status shot up to an all time high. I was respected, even loved, because I went to Gilead and went to Africa. I thought that would be nice, although when I actually went through it, it really offended me.
  
  Sorry for the above rambling/prelude. The whole point of this is how JW's use and understand the bible. You see, on a very fundamental, foundational level, the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses (GB) don't use the bible the way JW's teach it at the door. I learned at Gilead that for the "mature" ones who "dine on solid spiritual food" (i.e. the highly indoctrinated zealots), the bible is all about "Christs brothers". Please note that when the Watchtower says "Christs brothers" they mean the GB. They mean the leadership. They mean, be obediant to us, or you will be diobediant to Jehovah... and his son, whats his name?? Jesus!
  
  It is little wonder that this is the last thing one learns as they start studying with JW's. It starts with paradise, living forever, Jehovah, Jesus, living a moral life, loving the congregation, replacing your family with the congregation, THEN, after you have developed some level of infatuation with this group and have undergone a sufficient amount of love bombing, you are introduced to the highly doubtable concepts of congregation authority, how Jehovah mysteriously rules through Jesus and this group of men Jesus inspected in 1918 and found them superior to every other Christian group on the planet.
  
  If you buy it, you want in, you get baptized. But remember, you are still new, still a babe, still "immature". All of this is code for: One who is not ready to really study and accept how the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses use the bible to their own self serving means.
  
  It means you are still a babe to the fact that JW's really teach that practically ALL "faithful" OT charecters from Noah and Abraham through Elijah and Elishah and David to Hezekiah are prophetic of the Presidents of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. The one I refer to the most is as an answer to one of the questions on a Gilead test, Elijah prophetically pointed to Judge Rutherford, Elisha pointed to N H Knorr. That is my favorite, that is when I realized I was mislead. But to be fair, JW's teach that most all of these characters refer to the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses, the Governing Body. (GB)
  
  "Mature" JW's is a misnomer. It has nothing to do with maturity. That is code for "willingness to believe whatever you are taught, and to follow whatever the GB says, even if they change back and forth on doctrine in a god-dishonering fasion." Mature ones are impatient with the immature for questioning what they are taught. Mature ones become elders, ministerial servants and pioneers more quickly because they blindly obey. To question, esp after any period of time elapsing after baptism, means you are "immature".
  
  Of course, this is all so self serving within the group. Another layer of indoctrination and peer pressure to keep everyone in line. Gilead "taught" me this. I learned that within the GB world view, it is scriptural to be nutty about anything the WT says, but to leave your brother cold and miserable and naked if they disagree with a teaching or doctrine.
  
  I know that there are some who don't and won't believe what I just said. That is their right. There will always be some people who are susceptible to high control groups and cults. But to those who were raised as JW's, to those who for some reason accepted and bought a bill of goods that they found wasn't real, they should know the truth about "the truth". They should know how cynically the bible is used by the leadership of this group to their own ends.
  
  They should know that to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, the bible isn't about you. It isn't about Jehovah. It isn't about Jesus. Its all about them, the Governing Body, "Christs brothers", the Faithful and Discreet Slave. It's all about them, for them, and it is a sham. They are as prophetic as dead skin. THAT is what I learned at Gilead. THAT is what the bible is all about to the leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses.
  
  I welcome all who come on this forum, those in pain, those trying to improve after leaving, whether that be voluntarily or involuntarily. I don't comment much when you first come on, but my thoughts and best wishes are with you all." - AlltimeJeff
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  JW.org Propaganda video " The Best Life Ever" PUKE WARNING

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8wmz3nvlek.

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  I swear, are these videos for real? Guess what, churches in "Christendom" don't make their missionaries pay their own way, but actually have congregations and fund raising events in order to raise money to keep missionaries and sister congregations in foreign lands afloat. I found this out while attending (2) separate Advent Lutheran churches a while back. I was FLOORED. JW's Leadership: Pay your own way, suckers! Go forth, be warm, and well fed!
  
  Things I noted from this video:
  1.) This woman is going "door to door" in the Brownstone sections of NYC, like Brooklyn, etc. She's not from Harlem, so I'm going to guess mommy or daddy is helping her out, and hence she is able to "Save money."
  2.) She speaks of going to Malawi (Oh, the irony is so thick here!!) and that everyone she stops on the street (errr, dirt road) is eager to talk to her about the Bible, and shows so much respect. Uh....NO, you dumbazz! You are an uppity, well-dressed, foreign white woman with money, so of course they are going to pay you mind and "respect" DERP!!
  3.) "Uhh....this one time.....uhh...in Malawi....I showed up at some plantation, and the servant showed me to his 'Masta. That 'Masta was so impressed with my white rich self that he brought forth all of the servants to hear my white self speak. The servants were grateful for the work break, and that I wasn't there to purchase them."
  4.) OMG, this poor, poor, waddling missionary had to waddle her behind out off of a nice comfy bus with a chicken and 4 other people on a seat, then walk 2 whole miles home at the end of her 12 hour day. I wonder, was Andre awaiting her arrival back home? to rub her poor, poor, white feet? Boo-hoo!
  5.) Cut from dirty, stinking, impoverished Malawi, and back to nice green, comfy, water-fall filled Warwick, NY. Talk about how this experience made you rely more on Jehovah. God knows you'd have to, cause the Governing Body isn't going to front one cent to support your behind while you are away. Nope! Suck it up, Sister BrownNoser.
  6.) Picnics? Wasn't that outright forbidden since about early 1980's? I'm jealous.
  7.) Soccer? In capris? Now you're just being brazen. See Elder Stalksyounggirls for some loving "adjustments". Also, soccer is not meant to be touched with your hands unless you are a ref or a goalie. This is what happens when you are never allowed to watch or participate in sports growing up; you grow up to be a moron.
  
  This woman should try being a missionary in Jamaica, or how about Cameroon? She'd be singing a different tune then!!! I wonder though, if being a missionary is "the Best Life Ever", then why is she not still there doing it, instead of frolicking about back in upstate New York? I'm guessing by her appearance that Malawi cuisine didn't quite meet her overly plump pioneer appetite.
  
  This sanitized, absolutely contrived BS is nothing more than public relations dope. It reeks of Scientology and Mormonism. Playing catch-up once again, aye WatchTower? Your celestial chariot sure is moving at a snails pace it seems?
  
  I can't see any youth actually buying into this crap. If they do, they are in for a rude awakening, and certainly not "the best life ever."
  
  - Wing Commander
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  2 J dubs at my door this morning .

  by smiddy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife and i are presently interstate house sitting for a freind , and this morning 2 jw`s called unexpectedly of course .

  after their introducing themselves.

  they offered the invitation to the memmorial which i rejected , then let him present his spiel , nothing has changed by the way .. i had them their for about an hour , i`m on holidays nothing better to do this morning except keep them away from other doors .and of course they were prepared to stay.

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  I think this is a fine example of the type of Witnesses that are left in this psuedo-religious CULT.

  BRAIN DEAD.

  Don't know about UN or pedophile scandals, and don't care. Loyalty to the Org at all cost. Don't know their own history (Beth Sarim, etc). Don't care. Loyalty to the Org at all cost. Internet? Oh, they only read JW.ORG. Loyalty to the Almighty Org at all cost.

  Mindless, brain dead, drones.

  The ignorant shall inherit a wasted, meaningless life.

  - Wing Commander
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  Carl Dyson wife passed

  by jam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a well known brother in southern california and i. believe he served as a circuit overseerer in ny back in.

  we served in belize togather.

  a very sweet lady..

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  Is he the bright fellow who invented the wonderful vacuum cleaners I have in my home? If so, thanks Dyson!

  Oh wait, it can't be him as there are no bright fellows who would be inventors in the WTBTS Cult because such a bright fellow wouldn't fall for such false light.

  - Wing Commander
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  A contribution from one of the members!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a contribution from one of the members who doesn't get to post very often.. ... .......... ........................ ......... ..........atlantis

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  I gotta love that pamphlet on the Trinity. Down at the bottom it attempts to use simple math to explain away the Trinitarion concept, wherein it asks:

  Does 1+1+1 = 1 ?

  OR

  Does 1+1+1 = 3 ? You decide!

  What morons, that they can't even do multiplication, wherein:

  1x1x1 = 1 ((GASP !!)) Mind Blown. Critical thinking just shot down their simple-mindedness.

  See, I can use numbers to prove anything, even the Trinity! No wonder the sheeple were "confused" about the Generation of 1914 for 70 years, when the Governing Body OverLords use this kind of dumbed down science to try and justify their scriptual and prophetic apocolyptic garbage!!!!!! Gah!

  - Wing Commander
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  What is the GB Giving Back?

  by kneehighmiah in

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  2. friends

  in harmony with acts 6:1-7, what is the gb giving back to the r&f?

  the post about the cos being retired and recent wt articles about caring for older ones made me think.

  the gb is doing everything to cut costs while at the same time asking for more sacrifices.

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  Can you imagine, could any JW imagine, Anthony Morris III, or Garrett Loesch, getting down on their knees and washing the feet of Sister PoorPioneer? Hahahahahahaha........... Ha. Not happening, and NEVER will happen either. Those parasitic leeches don't know what "humility" and "service" are.

  - Wing Commander
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  This JW video tour is disturbing......

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i found this video on youtube.

  apparently a loyal jw put it together as a kind of "video tour" to show their friends, etc.

  i don't know what's worse, the creepy music (is this what we've been hearing about?

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  I agree with the musical opinions. I've been to funerals that had much more "happifying" music that this shite. And "The Farm" really does have a Jonestown look to it, no doubt! Everyone doing their jobs, in their place, and go back to their "quarters" when the day is done. THIS is how they perceive "Paradise Earth" to look like. Did you ever think you were really going to have a nice cedar Chalet next to a lake, with your kids petting Pandas and Tigers out in the front yard, like in the "Live Forever" book? BULLSH*T!!! This (WT Farms) is the perfect example of how life in a controlled environment is REALLY going to look like. No thanks!

  - Wing Commander
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  This JW video tour is disturbing......

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i found this video on youtube.

  apparently a loyal jw put it together as a kind of "video tour" to show their friends, etc.

  i don't know what's worse, the creepy music (is this what we've been hearing about?

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  WingCommander

  So I found this video on youtube. Apparently a loyal JW put it together as a kind of "video tour" to show their friends, etc.

  I don't know what's worse, the creepy music (is THIS what we've been hearing about? Glad I'm gone!), the fake smiles, the corporate atmosphere, or the photo poses with the now infamous "Caleb" in the animation department.

  Enjoy! (if you can stand to view for that long) **GAG**

  http://youtu.be/xI96tO-m1ko

  - Wing Commander
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  I feel sorry for just about everyone else.. even the elder's wife

  by ohnightdivine in

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  2. friends

  i've been busy with with being busy after knowing ttatt.

  after this sunday's meeting i was invited over by one congregation elder's wife to an afternoon coffee.

  we're not very close because of the age gap but we've "known" each other for so many years now, being in the same congregation.. she is like the anchor of the group.

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  Well, can her husband still get it up? I married my wife when she was 41. She had our son at 42, after having her tubes RE-TIED. Many in her family had children up thru into their early 50's. (Fertile myrtles I guess) 40 is like the new 30 really. I say, if she's 47 or below, better get the boots knockin'!

  What a sad, pathetic existance these people live. So much for the "fruitages of the Spirit", aye? Nothing like looking forward to the New Order childless!!!!

  - Wing Commander