Oh, the irony! Years and years of bad-mouthing and bashing higher education and technology as being from the devil Himself, only to years later embrace it, and require younger people who weren't even supposed to GROW UP in this "System of Things" to show you how to use basic email and an iPad. No one above 40 much less anyone above 60 thought that the year 2015 would be spent like this, in this "Old" System of Things. The "New Order" was supposed to have been here by now. This crap shouldn't even be an issue. We should be relaxing in our wood Chalet by the lake while our deceased relatives are petting pandas and being fed grapes by trained, enslaved, monkeys. End Rant.
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Talked to a couple from the Hall that I haven't seen in a while
by Captain Schmideo2 inwe were waiting for my mother in law to come out of surgery.not much was talked about on "spiritual" matters (since i haven't been to a meeting in years).however, i got to hear about :government conspiracies to shut down alternative energy.. gmos are bad.
gmos are bad.
gmo's are bad!!!
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What do Lady Gaga, Liberace, and Geoffrey Jackson all have in common?
by jwleaks inleft to right: lady gaga, liberace, geoffrey jackson.
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Ok, I'll bite. Why in the ever loving h*ll is Mark Sanderson, a GB Member, dressed like a sheep-like furry? Where and when was this? WTF? Why is TOMO III not scolding this "Brazen" display of "animalistic" tendencies? Where are his horns? Is he a sheep, or a goat? Did he do any pagan dances or sacrifice any virgins? Is Sanderson a virgin, free of sin in Christ's blood?
This photo is hysterical, and makes the leadership of this pseudo-religion look like the socially retarded clowns that they are. Incredible.
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"Your good example is much needed for the young ones the congregation."
by Yondaime inhey guys n gals, sorry its been such a long time since i've posted.
lately i've been very busy balancing between my school work and cult activities.
since i've been doing pretty well "spiritually"(enough field-circus hours, attending meetings, underlining my literatrash, reading, praying and serving as the mic-master) my coordinator grabbed me to the side after a meeting and talked to me for twenty minutes straight congratulating me about how good i am doing.. then he paused for a good five seconds and got all serious.. then he proceeded to tell me that the young ones in the hall aren't doing too well.
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You know it's getting pretty bad in JW-dom when the closeted Apostates are being praised as the "spiritually strong ones" in the Congregation, and being groomed for Elder positions. The irony!!!!!
So much for "Holy Spirit" directing the Shepherds and having say in selecting leadership. Or maybe it is? Maybe Holy Spirit is now trying to work "righteous hearted ones" into local leadership roles to offset the wolves that had taken over and fleeced the flock for so long? Maybe this is YHWH setting things right? Nah.....they are all just full of crap and need more tools and minions to do their bidding. They have no idea you are "awake" and hip to their crap. I'd get promoted, then some evening late at night go thru the entire Congregation files getting all the dirt on the pedo's, etc. I'd then turn them all into the police with copies of the JC forms of what they did.
Screw 'em all, let Holy Spirit sort them out.
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Setback
by EdenOne ini saw this coming since my mother-in-law's funeral .... the congregation's "love-bombing" over my wife had its impact.
i watched her drawing closer and closer to her friends in the congregation.
then she decided she would attend the memorial.
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Sounds to me from your last post, that you know exactly what needs to be done, and it does NOT include suicide.
DIVORCE.
You are dead last in her list of priorities. That is NO way to live!
Set her free and move on with your life. You'll both feel better. Then, when she finds some a-hole Elder to marry, she'll soon find out just how good she had it with you.
Cults suck balls.
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A monster in our midst......
by WingCommander ini am pretty stunned as i write this post.
i guess i shouldn't be after reading years and years of similar incidents on these forums, but here i am nonetheless.
he was convicted in 2001 of possessing child pornography and sentenced to 1 to 2 years in prison.. .
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The article was from 2 years ago. He has since been sentenced, probably to the mandatory 25 year sentence, which means he won't be eligible for parole until he is 65, in the year 2040. Hey! Maybe Armageddon will have happened by then?
All I know, is that my parents were both molested as children, and if they had known this creep was like this, they'd be spinning in their graves, as he was only (1) of handful of people ever allowed into our home. (my parents were paranoid due to their childhood experiences)
Makes you wonder what happened to him? Who abused him? How did he get like this? Really messed up.
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A monster in our midst......
by WingCommander ini am pretty stunned as i write this post.
i guess i shouldn't be after reading years and years of similar incidents on these forums, but here i am nonetheless.
he was convicted in 2001 of possessing child pornography and sentenced to 1 to 2 years in prison.. .
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I am pretty stunned as I write this post. I guess I shouldn't be after reading years and years of similar incidents on these forums, but here I am nonetheless. A few years ago while searching the "map" feature of my local sex offender registry (in the USA, we can view offenders on maps to show us where they are) I came across a guy about 5 years older than me that I grew up around as a child. He was the oldest of 5 children, and I remember him well as a shy, quiet, nice boy with piercing eyes. I last saw him when he was about 17. His father professed to be of the "Anointed", and while his father was a good man, he completely neglected his family as he was also an Elder and by 1993-94 the family had broken into pieces. Anyway, he was on the sex offender registry for some reason. I never knew the extent of his criminal behavior until just today, when I saw his updated photo on the offender list, along with newest conviction. So I searched his name on Google. What I found, was utterly disturbing. Very disturbing. His behavior goes back 20 years to 1995, when he nearly beat a 2-yr old girl to death. It just gets worse from there. I know I shouldn't be surprised, but I am. He was in a Congregation that I grew up, but that dissolved around 1988. Ironically, the JW Valedictorian of a local high school (class of 1997) was also on the sex offender list. What a fine "Witness." I am so repulsed by these "to close to home" incidents that I am physically sick. I will say, that out of the 5 children of this family, only (1), the youngest brother, is still indoctrinated and involved in the cult to my knowledge. The (3) sisters, as well as their mother, left the cult years ago and have moved on with their lives. But here is article of this local abuser, who I believe has been sentenced to a mandatory 25 years in prison. Ironically, he was born in 1975.
"A convicted sex offender with a history of abusing children will be tried on new allegations of possessing child pornography, a local judge ordered Tuesday.
This time, Adrian Ben Wagner is facing a mandatory 25-year prison sentence if convicted of possessing the lewd videos.
Investigators seized from Wagner's computer more than 100 videos, which he was trading online, charging documents show.
District Judge Mary Mongiovi Sponaugle ordered that Wagner, 38, stand trial on 28 felonies, after a preliminary hearing Tuesday afternoon.
Wagner, already a Megan's Law offender, is in Lancaster County Prison in lieu of $200,000 bail.
He was convicted in 2001 of possessing child pornography and sentenced to 1 to 2 years in prison.
In 1995, he was convicted of beating a 2-year-old girl in Columbia, court records show. He was sentenced to 8 months in prison and 5 years of probation.
A third conviction of child abuse would mean at least 25 years in state prison, according to prosecutors.
"A network of pornographers and consumers, fueled by the consumption of innocence, lurk in the dark corners of the Internet," Daniel Dye, state deputy attorney general, said after the hearing. "Dedicated law enforcement continues to expose them to the light."
Dye played many of the videos during the two-hour preliminary hearing. All portray children in sex acts; some in acts with animals, according to charging documents. Police recovered 115 videos in all.
In 2001, Wagner was charged with possessing photos of children in sex acts, court documents show.
In the 1995 abuse case, doctors initially thought the 2-year-old was dead when she was brought, unresponsive, to a local hospital. She was cold, blue and lethargic and was suffering from hypothermia, reports show. She survived, but police said she would have died within hours without treatment. Police charged Wagner with beating the girl and giving her an ice-cold bath in early April in front of an open window, records show."
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Struggling
by Alive! ini read here regularly and although i haven't joined in, i really appreciate all the wonderful contributions from those who are willing to share their experiences.... .
i was a convert.
i won't go into the whole history ( perhaps another day) - my story could easily be recognised in the small town where i live, with my husband.. so, we stopped going to the meetings around a period of time when we were going through severe emotional difficulties - at that point, we needed unconditional family love - the hectic, forced jw dinner parties and social occasions gave no real comfort.
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@ Millie (and others)
"Your story was a huge help to me. Even though my experiences were different than yours, I was hurting and wondering what I could "do" about it. Should I try harder? Write a better letter to the Society? What?"
This is a reoccurring theme that you will hear again and again from surviving ex-Cult members, that of, you can never do enough, give enough, pray enough, be good enough, etc. All cults have this in common. You are NEVER good enough, and truly JW's are a "works based" religion. The instant you are not warming a KH seat and filling a KH contribution box, you are a non-existant ZERO. You "worth" is completely conditional upon your status as a cult member and perpetual giver of everything.......every last drop of life.
Millie, you are correct about the glaring contrast of how non-JW's treat people in a time of crisis versus how JW's react in a time of crisis. The day after this Elder hung up on me and couldn't be bothered, I received a phone call from my mother's co-workers (She was an RN for 30 years), who stated they had taken off work, rented a mini-van, and were driving down to visit and console my mother before she passed. My God! I was blown away.....they met with my mother, who immediately was more awake, conscious, and happy to see them, as well as comforting me and buying me lunch at the University cafeteria. (I could barely eat though). They warmed my heart with stories about her, etc. They also came to her funeral and kept in touch with me. I'll never forget that. And the JW's? Couldn't be bothered. My, what a fine "Witness" my mother's coworkers gave, vs the JW's who didn't do jack squat! That was truly the last straw for me. Until that incident, I had held out some sort of hope that maybe JW's were "the one true religion." After that treatment, I was left feeling nothing but contempt for the religion of my youth. Even UVa hotel staff who knew my situation (I was back and forth from PA to VA for 3+ months and stayed at the same UVa owned hotel) took pity on me and offered their own Christian faith to console me during different times of my stay. I feel like a complete ASS for thanking them kindly and waiving them off. (False religion, don't ya know!) So-called "wordly" people cared for me in my time of need......JW's whom we knew for 20+ years were nowhere to be found. We had similar experience with my father's illness 8 yrs prior.....that really shook my mom I can tell you. She actually bought and read Ray Franz's books before me! (though I was on the internet first)
Alive! - I (and others) know the range of emotions you are going thru.....we have been there. It's like a punch to the gut to realize you were misled by a money-grubbing Cult. Say it.......you were in a Cult! I was in a Cult! But now, we are OUT of the cult, and we are Alive! and we are not only surviving, we are striving.
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by Alive! ini read here regularly and although i haven't joined in, i really appreciate all the wonderful contributions from those who are willing to share their experiences.... .
i was a convert.
i won't go into the whole history ( perhaps another day) - my story could easily be recognised in the small town where i live, with my husband.. so, we stopped going to the meetings around a period of time when we were going through severe emotional difficulties - at that point, we needed unconditional family love - the hectic, forced jw dinner parties and social occasions gave no real comfort.
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@ Millie210:
"I read about one young man left to struggle alone at the hospital while his parent died over the blood issue and the elders didnt want to bother to come even though they were called."
Not to derail this thread, but I believe you are referring to me. My mother had a liver transplant in another state, at a University known for doing "bloodless" transplants (or as close to bloodless as you can when dealing with organs), and while she got the transplant, she died 3 months later. Towards the end, I had called our COBE (PO, back then) and asked for some spiritual support for my mother. The man was half pissed that I had called and interrupted his supper! He then informed me that I should contact the LOCAL Congregation and have Elders that I didn't even know visit my dying mother. He then promptly hung up on me, leaving me alone in my car with my cell phone and my jaw on the floor. I never felt so alone in my life....abandoned! I was 27, my mother was 54, and this was my last living parent. It was a slap to the face. We had known this many for 15 years, and he couldn't be bothered.....was angered that I dared to call him during dinner. He didn't attend my mother's funeral either. That's ok......I attended HIS about 2 years later. Guess Karma caught up to him? Guess he didn't have Jah's spirit watching over him as a beam fell on him and killed him instantly, and from what I later heard ...... at an Assembly Hall building project!!!!!!!! (media said it was a construction site, how convenient!)
The lack of Christian Love from these self-righteous poseurs is an astounding site to behold or be on the receiving end of. It's like, I can't believe I put up with this much emotional and spiritual abuse for as long as I did. The above is just one of MANY incidents I personally experienced from these toxic a-holes over my lifetime "associating" with them. To Alive!: You say that it hurt to no longer be invited to social gatherings or get togethers after some missed meeting attendance? Imagine how my family felt at NEVER being invited to ANY congregation social gathering, party, wedding, picnic, youth activity, etc........in 25 years !!! NOTHING! You must have been wealthy or well-off, or benefited them somehow I imagine to be so well thought of to be invited to everything before? We got ZILCH from these people. My father was good enough to help do maintenance on the KH, and my mom & I were good enough to help clean the KH though!! Yep! Good enough to do that crap, yet those same people were no where to be found while my parents were dying.
I, and many others could go on and on, but I'm sure you're getting the idea. If this type of treatment, this behavior, is all that the Kingdom Halls of JW's have to offer, then please count me out - forever! I decided already at about age 10 that I didn't like or want to be around such fake individuals, and I am forever grateful for the internet and sites like these for helping to answer my questions, share experiences, and show that I am not the only one fed up with their phony "Christian Love."
"Get out of her my people," - Indeed.
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Witnesses of Jehovah film from about 1986
by violias inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve3zp9fiyiq.
film witnesses of jehovah .
note 37:35 .
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I only wish there was a brand new, updated version of this made in 4K HD. Something fresh and new, condensed into a 1-hr documentary covering child abuse, the two-witness rule, shunning, disfellowshipping, 144K, overlapping generations vs old 1914 Generation, UN NGO involvement, Assembly and Kingdom Hall real estate schemes, etc, etc.