Posts by WingCommander

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Dutch Society did announcement about DC at last meeting

by Ozner in

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friends,.

the dutch branch of the society, has send a letter to all congregations in the netherlands about the dc this summer.

they stated that the series of dc in 2006 has end in a loss of 75.000 euro.

WingCommander

Maybe the WT Society can dip into their BILLION dollar assets and help out a little, instead of trying to guilt everyone into GIVING EVEN MORE!

What a collasal guilt trip this religion is; it's just one thing after another.

Wing Commander

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JW's beside me at TGI Friday's last night! Oh no!!!

by WingCommander in

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yep, my wife and i took our two boys to tgi friday's last night, and of all the tables to sit at where do you think the hostess sat us next to??

i only knew the young woman, as she attended the same congregation i had attended (past tense for about 6 years now).

anyway, i feeling of total dred fell upon me.

Yep, my wife and I took our two boys to TGI Friday's last night, and of all the tables to sit at where do you think the hostess sat us next to?? A JW couple. I only knew the young woman, as she attended the same congregation I had attended (past tense for about 6 years now). Anyway, I feeling of total dred fell upon me. You see, it was Thursday, which is bookstudy here in the colonies. So naturally, this couple was taking in physical food before the spiritual. And me? I was in cargo shorts, sandals, and a nice tank-top (sleeveless shirt). So what? So, I just got a new tattoo last weekend, on my UPPER ARM!!!!! It is a black and grey portrait of a tiger's head. It's huge, almost a quarter sleeve. Anyway, it was clearly visible to all. So what? Why should I feel ashamed? We are not under Mosiac Law anymore, which means I can get ink, eat shellfish, etc. Which is what I ordered by the way - fried shrimp platter! lol.

I dunno....it was just the idea. And of course, this stuck-up bitch didn't say anything to me at all, even though she clearly knew whom I was. I acted like I didn't see them; too busy with my 2-year old son. While I was busy with my own family, my wife noticed this girl had complainted about everything she was brought. I thought, "How typical, JW's aren't satisfied with anything." I was relieved when they got up 20 minutes later and left, the girl with her nose held high up in the air. My wife asked what my face was for. I asked, "was it my face of disgust," to which she replied it was. I informed her I had once known the girl, and I couldn't believe the incredibly smug, arrogant, holier-than-thou attitude she presented to everyone as she strutted out of the restaruant with her dufos boyfriend/husband. I stopped and thought to myself if I had once been like that, and then I realized that no wonder people think JW's are assholes and pricks - just look at how they act.

As a side note, this girl's grandmother (a self appointed Christ-like judge) had informed my mother nearly 10 years ago that she thought my mother was "Spiritually Dead," and a multitude of other things in a slanderous, hurtful tirade that looking back now; started my mother on her "fade" nearly 2 full years before my own. Oh, the irony.

It just never fails to amaze me how much I've grown and realized what for a cult I've stepped away from.

By the way, TGI Friday's has a great shrimp platter, and their "Cinnabon" Cheesecake is the best I've ever had! Yum Yum!

Regards,
Wing Commander

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Who is this?

by Outlawed in

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who guess.

animal farm;.

" all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others", .

WingCommander

Um, could it be the infamous "Pig-Man" from that one Seinfeld episode? You know, the one where George is in the hospital and Jerry, Kramer, and Elaine go to visit him. Kramer spots a "Pig-Man" in one of the rooms and pursues him the entire episode. Hysterical.

Man, that was a great show!

Regards,

Wing Commander

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Thank you all so much!! I think I am going to spend less time in WT land...

by Check_Your_Premises in

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i showed up here about a year and a half ago confused and in shock.

i was yet the latest victim of the runaway train that is the wt.

my wife joined the wt and i was surrounded by drones doing their level headed best to consume my family while i am at work paying for it all.

WingCommander

Semper Fi, do or die! Kill, Kill, Kill!!!!!

Best of luck with your struggle.

Wing Commander

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Fear and Loathing in - Surrey

by Crumpet in

i don't know if its coming down from the impossible high of the aposta bbq weekend or just hormones but i feel horrible today.

all last night i tossed and turned unable to sleep - i felt like i was going through a series of hallucinations rather than dreams.

i kept hearing voices - really sharp right up in my ear.

WingCommander

Awwwwwwl........Crumpet you poor thing!

I've got all of the physical reassurance you could ever handle right here baby!!

http://www.angelfire.com/celeb2/mikemyersiswonderful/Yeah%20Baby.jpg

Hugggggzzzzzzzzzzzz,

Wing Commander

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Where are RichieRich & SickofLies lately?

by WingCommander in

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i was just wondering how richie rich and sickoflies have been lately, as i haven't seen any posts from them in a while now.

i am especially curious as to how sickoflies is getting along now that he is officially df.

i also am looking forward to any new audio he may have.

WingCommander

Greetings All!

I was just wondering how Richie Rich and SickofLies have been lately, as I haven't seen any posts from them in a while now. I am especially curious as to how SickofLies is getting along now that he is officially DF. I also am looking forward to any new audio he may have. They are a real ear opener!

Any Info?

Regards,

Wing Commander

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Lonely newbie who is glad to be here

by DesertRat in

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i was directed to this site by a very kind ex-witness who runs a christian ministry in california.

there are no words to express how thankful i am to be here.. here is what i hope (key word) will be an abbreviated version of my story: i am 35 years old, single, the only child of jw parents who had already spent over ten years in various watchtower capacities (two of those years as gilead missionaries in guatemala) before i was born.

my father was diagnosed with brain cancer when i was 11 and finally succumbed, after a valiant fight, when i was 14. among the first doubts or questions i remember having was how a god of 'love' could just passively ignore the persecution (malawi!!!

WingCommander

Welcome! I am so glad you are here, please stay awhile. I'm glad you liked my post as well. I have had anxiety problems for most of my life, so I know about medication and related issues.

I feel you are lucky that you found a support group where you live, I can't seem to find any in the Harrisburg, PA region. I think it would really help me more.

Regards,

Wing Commander

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This is it; I'm done!!

by WingCommander in

yes, you heard me correctly.

i was born in jw land.

i didnt do the fade i didnt have to.

WingCommander

Miss Peaches:

Thank you, you are such a sweetie!

All:

Thanks for all of your kind words, I really appreciate it.

Regards - Wing Commander

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This is it; I'm done!!

by WingCommander in

yes, you heard me correctly.

i was born in jw land.

i didnt do the fade i didnt have to.

WingCommander

Serveus:

All of the info came to me gradually....and this site is responsible for that really. I'd say that I've really researched hard over the last 6 months though. The video really tied things together in a way I never saw before though; it hit me like a brick really. After that video, I was actually physically sick to my stomach. I just couldn't believe it all was right there. I've watched that video probably 10 times, and I'm showing it to my mother as well. (she's been doing the fade for years)

I'll of course still be around here. I just wanted to annouce my findings and update on my life.

Thank you all for your kind comments,

Wing Commander

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This is it; I'm done!!

by WingCommander in

yes, you heard me correctly.

i was born in jw land.

i didnt do the fade i didnt have to.

WingCommander

Yes, you heard me correctly. I was born in JW land. I didn’t do the fade – I didn’t have to. No one ever seemed to care about my salvation or well-being. It’s been on my mind for the past year to just come out and admit to myself that I’m no longer an un-baptized publisher nor do I want to be associated with the JW’s. Thing was, I just couldn’t let go. I wanted to hold on to that last little bit of hope that maybe somehow they were right, I was wrong, and that Jehovah would, “draw me near to Him” and save me. I’ve prayed. I asked for a sign, any sign. Going up to a Presiding Overseer that I’ve known my whole life at community fire hall and inviting myself to the Memorial and then having him drop off a pamphlet about it isn’t a sign in my book – it’s pathetic!

I’ve been lurking on this site once in a while since 2001, reading your stories and personal experiences. Since then, I’ve gotten married (to a nice worldly non-judgmental woman) had a son, and have had a life. Over the past 6 months though, I’ve really gotten into my JW beliefs and doctrines, policies and failed prophecies, as well as the history of the religion. I’d say the defining moment for me, the thing that really put absolutely everything together in a neat package and made me click inside – was a 20 year old video that I saw posted on here entitled, “Witnesses of Jehovah.” Now, I had read a little bit of Crisis of Conscience, but a chapter at a time, a little at a time, so I was familiar with a few things. But “Witnesses of Jehovah” nailed everything in 60 minutes. I actually said out loud, “If my parents would have been able to view this 20 years ago, they would have been floored.” Being raised a JW, you just assume and believe everything that is told to you is correct; after all, your parents are smart, right? As an adult I can now look at things from a different perspective and really investigate and dig into things. New research methods such as computers, the internet, and college databases have made this easier than 25 years ago of course, but still. For instance, the JW’s seem to have 2 different stances on the blood issue. The say they absolutely won’t take a blood transfusion, no matter what. Yet, at the same time they will take blood fractions which account for 97% of blood! This astounds me, and I’m floored by it. Why? Because as a JW youth it was constantly pounded into me that you “can’t be sitting on the fence, you are either with Jehovah or against Him.” Really? This seems to be the exception then, huh? I say, in for a bushel, in for a basket! How can you take even one drop of any part of blood, but then state you don’t take whole blood? Just ludicrous reasoning – what I have begun to call, “Circular Idiocy.”

But I digress; the blood issue is only the tip of the iceberg. How about measuring off of the pyramids? Masonic symbols everywhere? What about those old dates? 1874? 1914? 1918? 1925? 1975? New Light? The Millions Now Living campaign? Most JW’s think Rutherford was referring to millions of JW’s now living would never die, but that is untrue! He was referring to the millions of OTHERS that would be of good heart that would make it through and be taught AFTER Armageddon. A far cry from what we teach now. I never knew this until I researched it myself. All current JW’s just assume he was speaking about JW’s, not any “worldly” people. 1914 as the beginning of Christ’s presence and judgment of Christian religions? How about 1914 being the actual date of Armageddon? I never knew they believed that, along with many other end-time dates. I was floored to learn that. 607? I never even really knew what it was until I started researching 1914, and then all of the dominos fell one by one. This makes them a false prophet in my book.

What about partaking of the emblems? Christ commanded everyone to keep doing it in remembrance of Him. If I’m not partaking but observing, then I’m not doing what I’m commanded to do, am I? He didn’t say, “Just observe this date from now on.” I still have never taken a communion. What about salvation by grace? I mean, I was supposed be out working my tail off to earn salvation, as only the 144,000 were good enough to earn God’s grace. How little did I know. Being a Christian witness means casting off your old worldly self and actions once you accept Jesus as your savior, not banging on doors the rest of your life. It means being a good Christian example and doing good Christian things, such as volunteer work, helping someone in need, etc. Like when my baptized father was dying of cancer, my so-called worldly neighbors brought food up for my family, but none of our JW friends even bothered to call. That’s what I call Christian love and making a shepherding call. The JW’s were all too busy out in the field ministry – which is also the answer for everything. Sick? Tired? Depressed? Someone in your family is ill or dying? Sounds like you need to get out in the field ministry more – it’ll build you right up!! What ludicrous bullshit! My mother was personally told that several times through our ordeal with my father – by Elders in the Kingdom Hall nonetheless! No real physical or spiritual help; just go out in the field ministry more and peddle the corporation’s magazines to be saved. What a lowly, vicious cycle it all was while life passed us by. I never had a childhood, and my parents slaved away a good portion of their lives, and for what? So my father could have a JW infomercial instead of a funeral to remember him? I’m now repulsed by JW funerals. How disgraceful to the one recently departed. Where is the love?

What about taking care of your flock? Your congregation’s basic needs to live in the wicked system of things? This is another issue that ate at me deeply. I am no way trying to be greedy, but what exactly do the JW’s do for their members? How do they take care of their flock? Nothing. When I compared what other religions gave in the form of services, I was astounded. Take for instance, Seventh Day Adventists. They have Sunday School for children, colleges, private schools, hospitals, support groups, outreach programs, retirement and nursing homes, and the list goes on and on. The WTBS only looks at the bottom line: how much money have you made US this year? Have you been out in the field ministry peddling our magazines enough?

Things brings me right into my next question that I’ve always had: if we are to be spreading the word that the end is “just around the corner,” and, “only a little while off,” then how come the JW’s don’t use every single resource in order to shout it from the rooftops? Why make Christ’s yoke a burden, when he clearly said His yoke was light? I mean, they could be using the Internet to publish everything online instantly, as well as using their Billion dollar$ a year profits to place ads in newspapers and also even have their own Cable Network as well as being syndicated on radio around the world. Even the poorest 3rd world countries have radio. I asked a brother this at the Kingdom Hall last year, and he drew a complete blank – he was speechless; he had never thought of that before. Why not pay to put the pamphlets in the newspaper? Through my adult eyes I now have the reason for this: they are a mind-numbing control oriented cult – period. There was a reason over 20 years ago why my Uncle and his wife told my parents to take the JW shit and get the hell out of their house. I understand now. They were tired of the constant droning and spouting off how they would die if they didn’t convert to the JW religion. It’s not that they didn’t love my parents; they just simply disagreed with the JW cult’s message. This is a thou-shalt-not religion based on this one simple concept: “Thou shalt not say, think, question, feel, act, wear, eat, vacation, or do anything else unless told to by us, or else God will be mad at you and you will die at Armageddon!”

So where does this leave me? With a message I have heard many times, “God draws those near whom he chooses”, and “Come, drink life’s water free.” I’m not going to say I have all of the answers like JW’s claim to, but I sure don’t believe that they do anymore either. I have started the process of looking for Christ, as he stated you would know his disciples by their love and good works. Since I’m not officially baptized, I don’t have to send in any letter or do anything. It doesn’t matter anyway since none of them seem to care, even though I did spend most of my life spouting off their beliefs and trying to fit in with them. Right now, I am trying to attend one church service of any of the Christian religions around me to get a feel for other things. So many times now I have seen different interpretations of scriptures that I never knew of before. This entire process of research, self-meditation, prayer, examining of the scriptures, and exploration of other denominations has been eye-opening to say the least. I can only hope and pray that God leads me to the path he wants me to follow.

Thanks for listening,
Wing Commander