before i tell you my story i just want to say thank you to everyone on this forum for their sometimes funny,and sometimes sad, and sometimes very thought provoking posts, it has helped me a lot.. my family, which consists of a younger brother and a younger sister and my parents.
we began studying with the jw's as a family (mother's insistence) in the mid 1980's.. i was then 13, my sister 12, my brother 7, my mother thought she found the answer to all life's problems and became fully brainwashed, and hence if we wanted to be a happy family we had to all become jw's, and so because we were young and mainly to keep our mother happy we all became jw's.. all i can say is my parents life might have been, happier but mine was far from happy.
i left home as soon as i could i was 16.. my sister at 18 got married to a jw, and they bought a house and settled in to married life, when my sister had her first child at 19 her son was 6 weeks old when my parents moved into their home for a few weeks, while their new home was ready to move into.. during their stay in my sisters home they all got on really well despite a small house and no room to move.
Wow.......your mom must have REALLY been a hot piece of ass for that guy to want to do his wife's mom. Guess he was really into MILF's.
What's really messed up, is that someday the grandkids are going to find out that their father humped their grandma. Sick yo!!!
SAD.
- Wing Commander
i have been reading coc and isocf in the train every morning and noticed some funny stuff occurring.. .
this witness (i knew because i have seen her before reading jw literature, she probably saw me as well before reading a jw book but we never spoke), she spotted somehow and knew that i was reading apostate books, i was on the far left of the train and she was on the far right, i have good peripheral vision and noticed her having a good look at me ( to advise the spiritual policemen) and when i turned my head to the right she would quickly look away, this happened on two occasions.. .
after a week or so i was sitting in the same spot and on the far left there was another women who i had never seen before, i didnt noticed her at all until i heard the noise of camera taking a picture (most likely a mobile making the noise of a camera when taking a picture, which most do), again i turned my head around to the right and she somehow magically fell asleep in an instance, one second she is taking a photo the other shes asleep ahahah.. .
Wow.....this is some fucked up behaviour, no doubt about it!!! Talk about people who need to get a life, right??
Here's what I'd do, only because I have the equipment and I'm half crazy. I have a DSLR camera with 18-200mm lens on it. I'd have that in my breifcase/european-carryall and also my book. Have it on and ready with the lens cap off. Be reading your book. When you catch her looking at you while you're reading, quietly place the book face down, and then quickly retrieve your camera. Quickly extend the lens way out (zoom in) and start taking photos of HER!! (or them) Hahahahahahaa!! Make them feel the same discomfort they have placed upon you. Do this everyday until they stop riding in the same carriage as you.
- Wing Commander
i never became a zelouse witness, but i do remember being a borg kid.
there was no one my age at the meetings for most of my childhood.
except at one stage there was this half in half out family who had a fat annoying kid who never stopped boasting.
Hey, are you my lost twin-brother or something?
I'd say your experience as a child echoes mine pretty closely. There were other kids in my congregation my age and around my age, but for some reason I was never "good enough" to be invited to anything or play with any of them. It only got worse as I entered my teenage years and they became even BIGGER assholes then they already were.
The one thing I distinctly remember from growing up, and this was a comment echoed by my parents frequently, was the perception that no matter what, you were never good enough for anything. You weren't good enough, didn't do enough, weren't spiritual enough, etc, etc, etc. The boredom was sheer hell. I did the same thing as you, flipped to the back to see how many pages were left in the WT study. Suits didn't bother me, except during the DC's at in Veteran's Stadium in Philadelphia during the summer. That was pure torture that my parents only endured a few times and then never again. It was hell.
The Jehovah's Witness religion is a "thou shalt not" religion built up around control and the suppression of anything upbuilding or fun, and limits all social interaction to the Kingdom Hall and suppresses any celebrations whatsoever. Doesn't matter that even the JEWS had Passover, Jubilee celebrations, harvest festivles, and other celebrations - JW's have NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING to celebrate. But then again, they have nothing to celebrate about. What is there? False doctrine, false prophecies, false sense of The End, hell everything is a bummer with them. What a way to live!!!
Congrats on your escape and welcome, we on here can truly relate.
- Wing Commander
i didn't see if blondie did a wt review or not, but i wondered if anybody else caught this?
paragraph 15.. .
sadly, though, some have become casual or even cynical about reminders concerning the need to stay awake.
Wow....just wow!!! It's these "brazen" statements made by these uninspired and not infallable men that shake me to the core when I read and hear of them.
Even in my younger, most die-hard JW days would this NOT have raised a red flag, eyebrow, etc. They really are telling you to shut your brain off and not to question a single thing they say. This is so close to what David Koresh (Branch Davidians), Jim Jones (People's Temple) and other serious cults say that it's no longer just casual and kind of funny, but down-right damned SCARY.
Who are they to make such claims? Truly, they have elevated themselves to the throne of the Most Holy!!!! If the whole "mediator between men and Jesus" thing weren't enough, now they make these claims? Total and utter bullshit!!!! How does this compare to the Boreans who not only questioned Paul to make sure what he was teaching jived with what they already knew, but were praised for doing so??? In WatchTowerLand you would not only be "frowned upon" for questioning the things being taught to you, but you'd be disfellowshipped and thrown out on your ass for apostacy!!! What a stark contrast from the 1st century Christians vs. the how the JW's run things. Truly, the Pharisees have returned, and they've elevated themselves to being not only your OverLords, but Jesus himself!!!
Disgusting.
- Wing Commander
once again my wife and i were sent the " witness only " wt version by our lurking jw friend that they study at wt study meetings.
and once again wt society is showing very controlling tendencies towards it's jw members.. do any of you remember the " old days " in the 1970's or early 1980's when witnesses used to have goody night after book study ?
or you would have a " potluck picnic " with about 30 to 40 people getting to know one another to draw close as friends outside the confines of the kingdom hall ?
Actually, I've been using that slogan for a few years now. "The Beatings Will Continue Until Moral Improves." It's been my JW theme for quite some time, and apparently the Writing Department agrees!!!
Beat the shit out of the sheep until they stop going "baaaaaaaah".
When I was a kid, I actually used to envy the kids when they talked about the fun activities they did in Sunday School, or talked about their Vacation Bible School, or Living Word activities, or Boy Scouts, whatever. They were so much more socially and spiritually well-rounded than I was; I was a highly intelligent yet introverted and isolated loner who was shy and had few friends. Some spiritual paradise, huh?
- Wing Commander
once again my wife and i were sent the " witness only " wt version by our lurking jw friend that they study at wt study meetings.
and once again wt society is showing very controlling tendencies towards it's jw members.. do any of you remember the " old days " in the 1970's or early 1980's when witnesses used to have goody night after book study ?
or you would have a " potluck picnic " with about 30 to 40 people getting to know one another to draw close as friends outside the confines of the kingdom hall ?
MeetingJunkieNoMore:
Yeah, I gotta agree with your friend's Catholic study. They DO have a busy schedule filled with wonderful, uplifting, social-Christian functions that bring the congregation together and keep them interested in their religion, one way or another. This is also how they get others interested in their faith. I know it sure peaked my interest when I started dating a nice Catholic girl when I was 20. The outright respect and open family atmosphere that they showed towards me, UNCONDITIONALLY really hit a nerve with me. In some ways, they were so much better then my own family, so much more open and less stressful. They all went to Catholic school, and both her parents taught at the school. I'll never forget that. I spoke to an Elder I trusted about our issues, and hoping that she would become interested in the JW's if he (an Elder) would be willing to sit down with her priest and discuss religious differances. That way, she could see we have "The Truth". When he outright refused, a gigantic red flag went off in my head about how odd that was, and what was he afraid of??? It took more research on my own to help get me through the maze of lies I had been brought up in.
At the time, I was just coming to grips with the Lie that I was brought up in, and hence they tried their damnest to get me out out of the JW's. I didn't listen, I was stubborn and headstrong, and indoctinated. We loved each other immensely, but could not get over the religious aspects. We broke up. I can only hope to see her again some day so I can thank her for at least getting me to start questioning.
- Wing Commander
last month the spanish congregations were having their distric assembly and two sisters were in my neighborhood delivering an invitation to a neighbor.
the neighbor was not home but i was outside washing my car, so they come over because the older sister, in her 70's, knows me and wanted to say hello.
i took the opportunity to mention the fact that i haven't been to a meeting since 2006. she acted as if this was news to her.
Know what I told a sister who came to my door one time who said about how "sad" it was that I no longer attended? I told her I thought it was "sad" that she was still out here in (2008 at the time) peddling literature because the Society said the world would have ended by now, and why are we standing here, aren't we supposed to be in the New Order RIGHT NOW??? That completely shut her up, she was dumbfounded....had no response. Now that was SAD.
- Wing Commander
once again my wife and i were sent the " witness only " wt version by our lurking jw friend that they study at wt study meetings.
and once again wt society is showing very controlling tendencies towards it's jw members.. do any of you remember the " old days " in the 1970's or early 1980's when witnesses used to have goody night after book study ?
or you would have a " potluck picnic " with about 30 to 40 people getting to know one another to draw close as friends outside the confines of the kingdom hall ?
Good points, Skeeter1.
I grew up in the 1980's, and I only remember (1) picnic my family went to when I was about 4. We were never invited to one again, and I never heard of them anymore after that either. I was in for the first 18-19 years of life or so, and I was never invited over to anyone's house, never went to a JW party or movie, was never invited to ANYTHING...no weddings, no high school graduations. No wonder I was depressed as a teenager.
How can they claim to have Jehovah God's blessing and Jesus spirit when they pull crap like this? These type of rules create total nutcases in my opinion.
CULT.
- Wing Commander
are there pretenders in our brotherhood- as in all religion- that do what is evil?.
yes.. have we made stupid guesses about some of the prophecies, as all churches do?.
yes.. does our "organization" make mistakes- as, you guessed it, all do?.
MadJW, we feel for you bud, we really do. You're stuck as alot of JW's are in a "semi-spiritual religious limbo" of sorts.
Just listen to yourself Man!!! You are on a supposed "apostate" site defending the WatchTower publishing corporation, all the while similtaneously stating that you don't follow the F&DS, etc, etc. Talk about irony!!! Hahahaha!! You're soon to crack, if you haven't already.
Oh, and as for your comment about not getting involved with government, etc.....how do you explain pulling up the sheets with the UN from 1991-2000 as a United Nations DGI/NGO????? Don't give me that standard library card BS either, because if it weren't wrong to begin with, they wouldn't have dropped out the same month as the story broke in the Guardian. They were caught with the pants down, and they knew it!!!
We'd be disfellowshipped for joining the YMCA to use the pool, but the WTB&TS can join the UN to use their library. Fuggin' hypocrites!!
- Wing Commander
last month the spanish congregations were having their distric assembly and two sisters were in my neighborhood delivering an invitation to a neighbor.
the neighbor was not home but i was outside washing my car, so they come over because the older sister, in her 70's, knows me and wanted to say hello.
i took the opportunity to mention the fact that i haven't been to a meeting since 2006. she acted as if this was news to her.
False prophecies, you mean like The Generation That Saw 1914, Will Never Die? Did she mean like that? I would have whipped out the 1984 WT Bound Volume and shoved that in her face.
WT fits Jesus' warnings of a false prohpet and also wolves in sheeps clothing to a "T". It's so obvious to me now, but hard to see when you are still in.
Also, gotta love that C.O. quote above. Imagine, you faith is so weak and on such a piss-poor foundation that it cannot withstand any scrutiny, examination, or critism. Sounds like a pretty weak faith if you ask me. If you have the truth, REAL TRUTH, it will stand up to any examination and critque. That guy really showed the WT's hand with that remark. Satan my ass!! If you have the whole truth, nothing BUT the truth, how is Satan going to stand against that? Besides, Jesus said HE was the TRUTH, the Life, and the Way!!! Guess the WT really doesn't have Jesus huh, just the false Christ in the form of the F&DS!!!
- Wing Commander
