Posts by WingCommander

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Will the Watchtower ever turn against K-12 public education?

by cappytan in

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when i was in school, you never heard about critical thinking skills...not till you started taking college level courses.. i work closely with the public education community.

now, the big rage in public education is instilling critical thinking skills from kindergarten on up.. and i'm in texas!

imagine what it's like in more liberal areas.. i would not be surprised if the watchtower started denigrating and discouraging public education (k-12).. it would likely start like this: .

WingCommander

Even the SDA's & Mormon's encourage higher education, albeit their own colleges. What do JW's offer? Nothing! Just keep 'em dumb and dependent. I'm 36, and live in Pennsylvania. Huge push around 1990 onward to get your kids in home schooling if at all possible.

It was to:

1.) isolate us from the "world" and it's influences

2.) give us more time to spend in the Pioneer work, since the End was so-so close (and many did, at the expense of their own ignorance)

3.) Keep us from even talking to Guidance Counselors about college or university.

4.) We were to learn a trade if a boy, and if a girl, learn to be a secretary at most, and submissive Stepford wife at least.

This isn't anything new. And yes, all of the home-schooled kids around here turned out to be morons and social retards. Ugh!

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Just Sharing a couple of experiences I heard in the last day or two about ones leaving the Borg.

by Crazyguy in

i was having breakfast with a friend and former jw just yesterday and he informed me that the place we were eating in is owned by a former witness.

the story goes as he tells me that the wife and husband or on the outs and getting a divorce.

now just so you know the state i live in, a divorce is not quick, mandatory waiting period etc.

WingCommander

Wow.....thanks Millie210. It's nice to know something I posted positively effected a new reader on here.

Honestly, I have many more experiences of my time growing up in the Org, that is just one of the more heartless ones. I don't miss that "Organization", not one bit. I was born into it, and all it did was take, Take, TAKE, and give absolutely NOTHING back in return.

In contrast, the very next day a van with my mother's so-called "worldly" co-workers showed up to visit my mother on her last coherent day on earth. Not one JW came. Not ONE. It was her nurse coworkers who took a day off, rented a van, and drove 250 miles to UVa Charlottesville to visit my mother, raise her spirits, thank her for her kindness, and then buy me lunch at the UVa cafeteria to relate stories of her to me. Of how she would always carry a small photo album of pictures of me in her purse, and show them to her friends. That she was proud of me. I hadn't met these people before, but they had watched me grow in her pictures. I cried into my salad. I was floored. And then......even then and there........I was amazed at the loving kindness and Christ-like love I was shown by them. And the JW's? No where to be found. Those same coworkers of course came to her funeral as well. The sisters my mother once used to work field service with couldn't be bothered.

I am so done with that heartless religion.

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Wolves in sheep clothing

by Israel Ricky Gonzales in

i was baptized then i was 15 years old and just entering high school.

i had been a perfect jw teenager through out my high school years, although i craved to be a little bit worldly.

when i graduated high school, i moved out and got a job working with my older non-jw brother.

WingCommander

I learned about "preferential treatment" at a very young age - 10. An MS and his family moved into our Congregation with his family, which included a 13-yr old bold named David. Of course, since Daddy MS was an MS already, he had instant authority. David, (who had to repeat a few years of school because of his family moving around so much) was in my 4th grade class. David was a totally two-faced double-lifer manipulative bully. He hated and resented that I was a straight-A student, and overall JW goody-two-shoes at the time. So, David took it upon himself to gather the other bullies and have the crap kicked out of me on almost daily basis. After several Principal calls later, my parents were fed up with this incredible treatment, and actually took photos of my bruised body. (this was 1989, BTW). A meeting was called between our families one Saturday at the Kingdom Hall. At said meeting, I was questioned by this Daddy MS about what I was doing, etc and eventually it was stated by Daddy MS that "I" must be bringing these beatings upon myself!!!!!!! Basically, we were treated to a, "Blame the Victim Party", and I was the guest of honour. I was 10 years old, David was 13!!!! WTF???? I can't recall how my parents handled it, but I left that meeting bawling, and I never saw the Organization the same way ever again. So much for "Divine Protection." I never had a lick of problems in grade school up until this point, and now a 13-yr old JW had kicked the crap out of me repeatedly and somehow, "I" was responsible for my own belittlement??? Something switched on in me that year. I said, "F*ck this hateful environment", and never trusted another JW ever again. Several years later (I was 16 I believe) I was visiting a different Congregation for the Memorial. I was taking a leak in a stall when David and some other guy walked in. They didn't know (or care?) that anyone else was in there. They were talking about which Pioneer Sister they wanted to bang. At the Memorial!!!!! What a freakin' scumbag that guy turned out to be. Be he was a manipulative narcissist, so everyone thought he was just great!! Well guess what? They can have that douchebag. They can keep him. I never had to sit in a JC, but sitting in a meeting were an MS who was new got to question me about my own beatings, and then turning it around to make it out like it was my fault and deserved it, was enough for me. I was 10! I can really feel for how you all. I felt so violated and like I didn't matter.....

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

WingCommander

Oh I like reading about Bethel experiences, but I'd estimate 75% of this thread is the "Fisherman" BS back-n-forth.

Sheesh.

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News from Warwick

by Sour Grapes in

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warwick update .

safety

safety is a 'culture'!

WingCommander

I just luv how they are already looking ahead to selling off all of the vehicles, tools, and equipment they have used in order to squeeze out every last "nickle" and dime. What greed. How about donating some of those vehicles to the less fortunate ones in congregations who need them? How about giving or loaning all of those wonderful tools and equipment to RBC quickbuild sites, etc in order to save THEM money and expense? It's like they don't have any foresight or care at all about anyone outside of the Warwick bubble.

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I Was Told That The Elders Have Not Gone After Me Because They Hope I Will Return!

by minimus in

the elders told my mom they obviously could have come after me but are holding hope that i will return to jehovah and be reunited to the congregation.. isnt that nice?.

WingCommander

C'mon now Minimus, you KNOW it's Da Truth! Return to Jah, grovel to the Elduh's for a year and be shunned like a Leper, and maybe someday you will have the "privilege" returned to you of being able to clean the KH toilets again. Feel the love!!!!!

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Just Sharing a couple of experiences I heard in the last day or two about ones leaving the Borg.

by Crazyguy in

i was having breakfast with a friend and former jw just yesterday and he informed me that the place we were eating in is owned by a former witness.

the story goes as he tells me that the wife and husband or on the outs and getting a divorce.

now just so you know the state i live in, a divorce is not quick, mandatory waiting period etc.

WingCommander

The best "loving" Elder message I ever got? About 3 days before my terminally ill mother was about to die from a failed liver transplant, I called up the COBE to ask him if he could come "Shepherd" my dying mother, to offer some sort of words to comfort her, scriptural support to my family, etc. This was at 7pm on a Wednesday evening. I was alone in my car, in the parking garage of the University Hospital. He bluntly told me that I was interrupting his supper, asked what he thought he should do about it, and then told me that I should contact the local Elders at the local Congregation in that area (she went to a JW-approved hospital in the next state for "bloodless" organ transplant), and have THEM (complete strangers) come Shepherd us. He then hung up. I was left with tears in my eyes, and my jaw on the floor, looking at my cell phone. After 25 years, THIS was how my JW mother in good standing was being treated? How I was being treated? F*ck them. I never heard from that man again. He didn't come to my mother's funeral either. That's ok; I went to his funeral a year later to "pay-back" the lack of respect we were shown. Jehovah apparently didn't protect and look over him as he died in a construction accident.

Karma as far as I'm concerned.

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Question and answers for fisherperson regardingy time at bethel

by _Morpheus in

so fisherperson sent me a pm asking a bunch of questions re my time at beth hell.

rather than respond in a pm i will post the q/a here as i have nothing to hide.

q:what years did you serve in brooklyn bethel?

WingCommander

WTF? 11 pages of this back-n-forth BS? Why have the mods and/or Simon not locked and deleted this thread? This has got to be the most drawn-out ridiculousness I've ever seen on this forum. Wow!!

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