Posts by herk
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740The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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herk
IW,
So, your "thank you" was the expression of a genuine hypocrite. Is that it? You didn't really mean it, after all. And yet, you, though not a Christian, know how to tell the difference between what is Christian and what is not. I'm not impressed.
You know deep down in your heart that you didn't come here in sincerity. Why don't you admit it? You came only to show Christians that you're superior in some way. Well, you haven't convinced me.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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herk
IW,
Thank you. I'm glad I could help. As you probably guessed, I knew exactly what you were looking for.
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740
The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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herk
IW,
With all respect, your question belongs in another thread. The question here is whether the Bible teaches the Trinity or not. We who have been involved decided a long time ago that the question is worth a discussion.
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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herk
Well, well! Now we know. SwedishChef accepts the authority of the dictionary in the same way he accepts the authority of the Bible. Oh, to be so wise!
Oh my! The dictionary says I'm a protestant. Well we all know that the dictionary is always right. I was a fool to argue with you!
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The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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740
The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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herk
Two more Baptist Illustrations of the Trinity:
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740
The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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herk
Two Baptist illustrations of the Trinity:
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740
The Trinity
by meadow77 intop reasons the wts is lying about the trinity.
their translation of john 1:1 is not only a complete farce but falls apart upon closer examination of their own beliefs.
the insertion of the phrase a god, instead of god is just a clear misinterpretation.
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herk
SwedishChef,
Is this a deliberate lie, or is it something you stated in ignorance?
First of all, Herk, I'm not a protestant either. I am a Baptist, which has never been traced to the Catholic Church.
Webster's defines Baptist as "a member or adherent of a denomination of Trinitarian Protestant Christians that are congregational in policy and for the most part doctrinally Calvinistic and maintain that baptism should be administered by immersion to believers only." Deny it all you want. No matter how ashamed you are of being a Protestant, the dictionary says that's what you are.
I can say your the typical Unitarian till I'm blue in the face, and it will do nothing but get you annoyed as well.
Again, either you're lying or speaking in ignorance. There are no "typical" unitarians. There are the JW type and there are other types. I'd spell out the differences, but you're the know-it-all, and you should know what they are. On the other hand, all Trinitarians are alike in what they believe. Their teaching is stated in creeds, dictionaries, and encyclopedias, as well as in statements of faith such as those the Baptists have published.
This will be a rather lengthy post, and probably my last one on the subject. It is basically a reiteration of all the things I've said. You Unitarians have to explain away an aweful lot of Scripture.
What a cop-out! You're getting ready to run, a sure sign that you're overwhelmed by the scriptural testimony against your false, unbiblical and pagan theory.
"The Son of God." This name is given to Christ forty times. Besides this the synonymous expressions, "His Son," "My Son," are of frequent occurrence. That this name, as used of Christ, is a distinctly divine name appears John 5:18-- "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God." (Proof more that that Jesus was crusified because of the charge of blasphemey.
What a distortion of the Scriptures! You would rather believe the lying Jews than believe Jesus! He never said he was God. That is the false charge that the liars leveled against him. You're just like every other ardent and blind Trinitarian! You prefer to read into the Scriptures something that really isn't there instead of accepting what they actually do say! "Proof" - What a sad commentary this is on how you read the Scriptures. Just because Jesus was accused, you say he was guilty as charged. In this way you show you are just as guilty as those who lied about him to get him executed. Instead of believing what he himself had to say about himself, you prefer to believe the liars.
Indeed the Jews were right, no one can forgive sins but God. And this makes Jesus God.
Yes, the Jews were right in their own eyes, just as you are. The Scriptures make it clear where Jesus got the authority to forgive sins. Were the apostles also God? Jesus authorized them to forgive sins: "He breathed on them and said to them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained." (John 20:22, 23) Just as the apostles were only men who had received divine authority, Jesus was also only a man who received divine authority: "I can do nothing on my own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will, but the will of him who sent me." (John 5:30) "For I did not speak on my own initiative, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak." (John 12:49)
John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time
But you claim that men HAVE seen God, again showing that you completely disregard the Scriptures to give preference to your own opinion and a pagan theory.
Note that Jesus is called the "image of the invisible God" in Colossians 1:15.
Have YOU noted that? How can he be both God AND God's image? He is either one or the other. Was Adam God? He also was made in God's image and likeness.
The prince would have the full authority of the king in this sense. Whatever that prince said, it had the full authority of his father the king. This picture is presented in Scripture. Jesus was sent from God having the full authority of God.
And here you show yourself completely blind, either inadvertently or deliberately. Your illustration, instead of proving that Jesus is God, shows that he is NOT God. It is God who SENT him. It was God who AUTHORIZED him. He did not have this authority ON HIS OWN, any more than the prophets of old and the apostles. They all RECEIVED their authority. Just as the prophets and apostles were not God, neither was Jesus.
Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
But, contrary to this plain statement of Scripture, YOU say God is THREE Lords!!!
I believe that there is ONE true God. But this God makes Himself manifest in the form of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Of course you BELIEVE it! But you haven't given a shred of reliable evidence for your belief.
Here we see that God addresses Himself as we.
How ridiculous can you be? Where in the Scriptures do we ever read about God talking to HIMSELF? Who HEARD him, so that we know what he said to himself?
He also says that God created man in HIS image, it makes no mention of angels in this entire passage.
It still doesn't matter to you what Jews like Moses and David believed FOR CENTURIES about this passage. YOU know better! Amazing!!! What else does God tell you in your dreams? Are you really sure it's God who is telling you these things?
Again, we are made in the image of God. No mention of angels anywhere.
So, then, we are all little TRINITIES!!! Is that what you're saying? God is a Trinity, and so are we, I take it, since we are in the Trinitarian image.
Isaiha 44:6 says: "Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." The LORD King of Israel and the LORD of Hosts speak as one. They identify as the on and only God.
This is an indication that you just don't read anything I write. I clearly explained what Isaiah 44:6 and Zechariah 2:10, 11 mean according to the context in each case. Rather than accept the words of Isaiah and Zechariah, you again show your preference to lean upon your own understanding. The pagan Trinity must triumph, so it just doesn't matter what the Bible says.
The Messiah is identifed has having an everlasting past.
You simply have to know that you are deliberately lying here. Compare Micah 5:2 with 7:20 where in each case the same Hebrew idiom is used.
If any of you actually read all this, you must come to the conclusion that Jesus is God.
WRONG! I was sorry I read your post to the finish. I was left gasping by all your distorted conclusions. I believe, SwedishChef, that your mind is so deceived and your thinking so distorted by this grossly pagan concept of the Trinity that you will probably never see the truth about God and Christ until Judgment Day. But I will pray that God will open your eyes before then. If he does, it will be a miracle nearly as great as when a dead person returns to life.