Amazing! What a marvelous revelation!!! "Many" earthquakes every year since 1914! Why, that's almost as significant as the "many" earthquakes every year before 1914! Do you think this is the wonderful "good news" that God's prophet organization has been saying it was commissioned to preach worldwide?
Posts by herk
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19New Light Confirmed in New Book
by Stephanus inin thread:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/21475/1.ashx.
we were informed that the tower had changed the earthquake "sign of the times" - "they're not increasing; they're just there - and that's proof enough" is apparently the new way of looking at things.
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MY SWAN SONG
by northern girl inabout seven weeks ago i posted here for the first time.
in that post i said i'd like to be reinstated but felt it likely wouldn't happen because the shunning was too much for me.
well, my prayers have been answered and i am reinstated.
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herk
I agree with puttytat and AlanF, and I'm sorry I came down to the level of mocking what I perceive to be a false pretense.
I'm glad Northern Girl is here, and I hope she stays, at least a while longer. I don't think she's sincere, but maybe by sticking around, even with the wrong motive, something good will rub off on her and she'll think twice about wanting to be in an organization where men are served but not God.
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MY SWAN SONG
by northern girl inabout seven weeks ago i posted here for the first time.
in that post i said i'd like to be reinstated but felt it likely wouldn't happen because the shunning was too much for me.
well, my prayers have been answered and i am reinstated.
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herk
Northern Girl has already forgotten the meaning of "swan song," a meaning for which she earlier expressed appreciation.
If I'm little, you better hope you don't ever run into somebody who's tall, little girl!
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MY SWAN SONG
by northern girl inabout seven weeks ago i posted here for the first time.
in that post i said i'd like to be reinstated but felt it likely wouldn't happen because the shunning was too much for me.
well, my prayers have been answered and i am reinstated.
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herk
A word to the "wise"?????
Somebody please help me off the floor. I can't stop laughing! Northern Girl thinks she's "wise"! Ho ho ha ha ha ha ...............................................................
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MY SWAN SONG
by northern girl inabout seven weeks ago i posted here for the first time.
in that post i said i'd like to be reinstated but felt it likely wouldn't happen because the shunning was too much for me.
well, my prayers have been answered and i am reinstated.
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herk
Northern Girl lied to God, to her elders and to herself. After reading the posts by berylblue and Redhorse Woman, it hit me like a ton of bricks that Northern Girl has been lyin' to us too!
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MY SWAN SONG
by northern girl inabout seven weeks ago i posted here for the first time.
in that post i said i'd like to be reinstated but felt it likely wouldn't happen because the shunning was too much for me.
well, my prayers have been answered and i am reinstated.
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herk
NG -
When you make statements like the following, you really raise doubts that you ever were a JW:
In most disfunctional families, there is usually some crotchety old uncle or aunt sitting in a corner dispensing a whack to the shins with their crooked old cane. How dare anyone skip for joy ... can't be up to any good if they are happy!!!
If ever there was a "crotchety old uncle or aunt" (mother organization???) that "dispenses a whack to the shins with their cooked old cane," it's the WT Society!
Who 'whacked your shins' because you enjoyed a smoke now and then? Who won't let you have fun at a friend's or relative's wedding because they're not JWs? Who would probably disfellowship you for being with your parents or siblings when a member of the family is being baptized as a Christian in another church? Who won't let you celebrate your kids' or parents' or grandparents' birthdays? Who won't let you celebrate anything except the "memorial of Christ's death" or maybe your wedding anniversary? Who look down their noses at you if you allow your kids to squirm a little or to sit with a picture book during meetings? Who expect you to be knocking on doors on a bright beautiful day instead of spending a relaxing time at the park with your family? Who might bring you before the elders because you dared to watch an interesting Bible film produced by a non-Witness organization? Who view it as sinful to let your daughter be a cheerleader or to let your son enroll in team sports? Who will look upon you as "worldly" if you enroll your kids in school drama, music, arts or nature programs, or let them follow up their passion for knowledge at college? Etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum!
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MY SWAN SONG
by northern girl inabout seven weeks ago i posted here for the first time.
in that post i said i'd like to be reinstated but felt it likely wouldn't happen because the shunning was too much for me.
well, my prayers have been answered and i am reinstated.
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herk
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I know I don't have to speak for teejay, but I just can't resist making some comments here.
best you worry more about your own future. I feel very secure in mine.
Yes, you feel very secure now. But how secure would you feel if your elders knew you were here among those they consider the worst enemies of what they call "God's organization"? It seems you have practiced deceit for so long that you don't even know how to be honest with yourself, let alone be honest with other people.
What makes you think you are so special to consider yourself a true adversary?
How distorted can your thinking actually be? You know very well that the ones who have singled us out as "special" are the WT Society and its elders. Many of us don't give a hoot about what the Society thinks of us, but they sure do give us a lot of attention. Focusing on each one of us as "a true adversary" is their doing, not ours.
If you do then you do think you are in opposition to the true God ... and yet you do nothing about it
Again, your thinking ability shows a great need for undergoing major improvement. We don't think we're in opposition to God, but the WT Society does. The difference between you and us is that you can think only as the Society thinks for you. Anyone in his right mind with clear thinking ability knows that a man-made organization that tries its best to control the lives of other people is not doing any great favour for God.
except find fault with someone who is trying to do the right thing?
Freely mingling with so-called "apostates" is "the right thing"? Deceiving your elders is "the right thing"? Being reinstated under false pretenses is "the right thing"?
Zoewrex -
Thanks for your point of view, but no thanks. This may be our last opportunity to help NG get her head screwed on right. Your attempt at interference might be more hurtful to her than anything we've said or tried to do.
Herk
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MY SWAN SONG
by northern girl inabout seven weeks ago i posted here for the first time.
in that post i said i'd like to be reinstated but felt it likely wouldn't happen because the shunning was too much for me.
well, my prayers have been answered and i am reinstated.
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NG -
My message wasn't for you. It was for those who know as I do that you just aren't doing things right if your determination is to please God. You know I spoke the truth when I spoke of your being deceitful. In order to make a decision pleasing to the God of the WT, the elders have every right to know that you've been coming here. But you will never tell them that you have. And you know the reason why. You fear them far more than you fear God. Please be honest with yourself about that. Perhaps it will be the first step toward realizing that being one of Jehovah's Witnesses is equal to being a slave to imperfect men - nothing more and nothing less.
By the way, I wasn't thrown out. I left once my eyes were opened to the fact that God would never bless as his own an organization that rejects many teachings of the Bible and gives preference to human rules instead.
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MY SWAN SONG
by northern girl inabout seven weeks ago i posted here for the first time.
in that post i said i'd like to be reinstated but felt it likely wouldn't happen because the shunning was too much for me.
well, my prayers have been answered and i am reinstated.
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herk
My message is not for Northern Girl. It's for the rest of us here.
Did you notice that God is no part of the picture that Northern Girl presented to us? She seeks, not reinstatement with God, but with imperfect and heartless men. If she wanted God, she never would have ventured near this forum. God, as she comprehends him through the teachings of the WT Society, is examining her heart. Where was her heart when she came here to be in the midst of "apostates"? Surely she knew her God is fiercely against her doing so, as the WT so often emphasizes! She said the shunning was too much for her, but what about the condemnation of her ultra strict WT God? Was she able to face him in prayer or otherwise when she knew she was blatantly disobeying everything he stands for?
According to the one she views as God, we are among his worst enemies, even agents of his arch-enemy the Devil. Does she think she has his forgiveness now simply because she fooled his human agents? They think she is truly repentant and sorry, but he knows better. He knows she is deceptive and will lie to men about what she really is just to get their approval. She knows he bitterly opposes lying and deception when dealing with his appointed elders or any representatives of his organization. They are not like the enemy with whom she is free to wage "theocratic warfare." She has employed such treacherous strategy against the theocratic organization itself!
She tells us, "Well, my prayers have been answered and I am reinstated." Her prayers to who? Has her God listened with pleasure to her prayers? How could he when she has dealt treacherously with him and his representatives? Or does he feel that lying isn't nearly as bad as smoking? Does he think we can lie to the elders to our heart's content, as long as we no longer puff on a cigarette? That seems to be her belief.
On the other hand, if her God is not pleased with lying, who are the ones who have answered her prayers? Isn't it the elders? Do you see how she has placed her elders above God? She knows her God would never oblige a hypocrite which is what she has been. Ah, but the elders? They have no idea how faithless and treacherous she has been to her God and to them. But to her, that doesn't matter. What matters is that the elders are willing to have her back. They mean far more to her than the one she claims is her God.
How did she feel when the power outage caused a delay in her reinstatement? One might wonder if she approached her God to thank him profusely for an extension of opportunity to show that she is really sorry, not only for having been a smoker, but also for being such a deceptive liar. Did she think God was responsible for the delay because she had not been true to him or to the elders? I, for one, tend to doubt that the thought ever crossed her mind.
She tells us that she "never wanted out." Out of what? A human organization, or a peaceful relationship with God? The answer is obvious. She's happy now, because, despite not knowing where she stands with the one she claims is her God, she is being welcomed back by her real God, the WT organization.
Like most JWs, she believes that God in heaven is an old softy towards JWs, that he doesn't mind what they do, as long as they please the men on earth who claim to be his true servants. He's such an easy-going old gent that he doesn't even mind if she smokes. It wasn't HIS decision to throw her out. He's never said a word anywhere about the practice. Really, he hasn't. So, he's not the one that Northern Girl is interested in pleasing and winning over. She wants to please those she really has to fear--those elders who follow, not the guidebook of God, but the rulebook of the feared and dreaded WT Society!
She knows very well that we are despised by the Society and the elders, but how did she bid us adieu? Did you notice? She wrote: "I take my leave and wish everyone well." What if her elders knew she said that? God knows, but she doesn't think he cares. But if the elders ever found out, the shunning would go on for probably several years if not until the day she dies.
I am not condemning Northern Girl. I was that way once. I hope I'm not anymore. I also lived in daily dread and fear of other elders even though I was one myself. God knew my thoughts and deeds, and often I asked him to forgive me. But y'know sumpin'? I begged far more for his forgiveness when I knew the elders also knew of my little misdeed here or my big stumble there. That's when I really sweated it out! Like Little Miss Northern Girl, I worshipped men far more than I had regard for the one I claimed to be serving.
I hope Northern Girl wakes up someday to reality, as I feel I did. I do know that humans no longer take centre stage in my life except to the extent that I want to do good things for them. I don't live in fear of them. Instead, after I left the WT Society I discovered what it means to love them. I hope that someday Northern Girl has enough love even for her elders so that she won't lie to them. I also hope that someday she loves God enough to respect what he thinks far more than what mere sinful mortals think.
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Trinty Brochure Refuted
by hooberus inseveral years ago the watchtower society produced the brochure "should you believe the the trinity" below are 3 specific refutations.
"why you should believe in the trinity" by robert bowman (easy to read book, great for beginners).. available all over the web.
2. yes ... you should believe in the trinity by christy harvey (more detailed and specific).
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herk
"The Doctrine of the Trinity: Christianity's Self-Inflicted Wound" by Anthony Buzzard and Charles Gooding is an excellent book on the subject.
I agree. Never read anything like it. But the name of the co-author is Charles Hunting.