In your next revision, put Herk in Toronto. Thanks
Posts by herk
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44JWD Maps Oh Canada
by Lady Lee in.
well i have been busy tonight.
if your name is not on the map please post your name and the province you are in..
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Was Governing Body Member Gerritt Losch Ever Disfellowshipped?
by minimus ina rumor has come around, saying current gb member losch, was df'd.
as anyone heard of this??
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herk
Izo,
Thanks. I agree with minimus that the data confirms Lösch was never disfellowshipped. If he had been, I seriously doubt he would have been recommended for congregation elder let alone circuit overseer at age 22, especially after pioneering for only a year. He rose rapidly in the ranks, and I would assume from his record that he had a good source of income and a better than average education. Another possibility is that he was a favourite with the Austrian branch overseer and/or Knorr. Sorry if I seem a bit cynical, but I assume his rapid rise to stardom led him to believe he was of "the anointed" even though he was born after the 1935 cut-off date.
Herk
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Was Governing Body Member Gerritt Losch Ever Disfellowshipped?
by minimus ina rumor has come around, saying current gb member losch, was df'd.
as anyone heard of this??
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herk
Mizpah,
I knew a PO who was disfellowshipped for leaving his wife and going with a young "sister." He divorced his wife and married the "sister." Both were eventually reinstated.
I know of another case like that. They were reinstated just two years after being disfellowshipped. As far as I know, the reinstated former PO hasn't been re-appointed to being an elder, but there was a heartless and cruel aspect to this situation. They came back to the same congregation where the divorced wife was still a member. As the years went by, I saw her die a slow death as meeting after meeting her former husband and his young wife strutted in to the Kingdom Hall and were greeted as if nothing had ever happened.
Herk
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Was Governing Body Member Gerritt Losch Ever Disfellowshipped?
by minimus ina rumor has come around, saying current gb member losch, was df'd.
as anyone heard of this??
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herk
I recall a conversation where Fred Franz mentioned that only members of "the anointed class" who had an unblemished moral record were chosen to be members of the GB. I think that if Losch had ever been disfellowshipped, he couldn't be on the GB unless the members felt the elders had done it in error.
Bert Schroeder mentioned that a JW in Europe had been wrongly disfellowshipped before becoming a branch member due to jealousy on the part of elders who thought he was too young to be of "the anointed." The disfellowshiping was rescinded soon thereafter. I don't think Losch was the person he had in mind, but he could have been.
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Husband Shopping!
by simplesally init is laid out in five floors with the men increasing in positive attributes as you ascend.
you're only allowed in once.
once you open the door to any floor you must choose a man from that floor.
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Husband Shopping!
by simplesally init is laid out in five floors with the men increasing in positive attributes as you ascend.
you're only allowed in once.
once you open the door to any floor you must choose a man from that floor.
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Troublesome Trinity Verses Part 2
by hooberus inon a previous thread many other "troublesome" verses have been brought up.
i will take some of these and start theads for them.
due to the complexity of the subject, several threads each covering one or two verses will be started, lord willing.
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herk
Little Toe,
I'm not phased or upset in the slightest, by Herk. He does seem to have got his knickers in a twist, though
You truly can be obnoxious at times - and please take that as an observation regarding your style, rather than an insult.
Y'know, after a while I get tired of that kind of condescending talk. If I found you obnoxious, I wouldn't get personal about it. But you don't seem to mind getting in the gutter.
I'm sorry if I don't come across as a saint. I work long hours and I don't spend a lot of time trying to smooth out and polish up what I write with the hope that nobody will be offended. I'm a Bible student, not a psychologist. Most of what I've written has come right from the Scriptures. My suspicion is that it is the Scriptures that offend far more than anything I have to say about them. And I noticed that you didn't use a single text to support anything you wrote in your last post.
What I want is Scripture, not your theories, some of which are quite false. Think again, for example, on whether the Jews addressed God as Father before Jesus came along.
You closed with a wish for peace. But you didn't mind telling me a thing or two concerning what you think of me as a person. I don't think you want peace, Little Toe. I really don't. If you did, you'd be far more conciliatory. Instead, you even felt a need to dredge up the past, with the subtle hint that all mistakes were mine alone and that I haven't changed a bit.
For the sake of genuine peace between us, Little Toe, I'm calling it quits with you. You had your say, and now I've had mine. Which one of us will now continue an attack on the other? If we both truly desire peace, we'll drop our discussion here and now. If you want a last word, you're welcome to it. But I've said all I want to say.
Herk
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Troublesome Trinity Verses Part 2
by hooberus inon a previous thread many other "troublesome" verses have been brought up.
i will take some of these and start theads for them.
due to the complexity of the subject, several threads each covering one or two verses will be started, lord willing.
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herk
BornAgainGirl,
I couldn't help noticing that the quotation you gave doesn't include even one scriptural reference. The writer makes several pronouncements as if his statements are true just because he made them.
I also could not help noticing how much the man degrades God! And how he contradicts the Bible! First, notice one glaring contradiction:
The Bible distinguishes among the three, but does not separate them.
If the Bible does not separate them, why at Jesus' baptism do we see Jesus in the water, the Holy Spirit descending in mid-air, and hear the Father's voice from heaven? Why do we so often read about "God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"? If both the Father and the Son are God, why does the Bible make a clear distinction and separation by saying only that the Father is God? And where is the Holy Spirit in the context of these verses if there is no bona fide separation of the three?
As for degrading God, notice:
The Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit would be less than God if one of them were separated from the other two persons in any way.
In other words, for thousands of years the Jews worshipped only a part of God. They worshipped only the Father or Yahweh and knew nothing about the Son or the Holy Spirit being God. How biblical is that???
How such thinking dishonours the Almighty God who asks, "To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare with him? To whom then will you liken me that I would be his equal?' says the Holy One." (Isaiah 40:1, 2)
According to Mr. Balge whom you quoted, we are to view God in the same way we treat someone we view as half a man. The God of the Jews was even less, according to Mr. Balge! He was merely one-third of a God!
No wonder Jesus grieves and the Devil rejoices over what trinitarians have done to God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! Rather than glorify him as Jesus did, they grossly dishonour him with their ridiculous theories.
I also noticed that you didn't make a single comment about the Bible verses I quoted in my last post addressed to you. I'm being sincere when I ask, Do they have no meaning to you? Do you really prefer what Mr. Balge has to say over what the Bible has to say? I hope you will give an answer.
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Troublesome Trinity Verses Part 2
by hooberus inon a previous thread many other "troublesome" verses have been brought up.
i will take some of these and start theads for them.
due to the complexity of the subject, several threads each covering one or two verses will be started, lord willing.
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herk
Little Toe,
I didn't join this thread because I was looking for a fight. If that's what you want, go find somebody else. I put a lot of work in what I contributed here, and you want to tear it all apart without even reading it and by focussing on what you perceive are flaws in my personality. I'm eager to debate the topic with anyone on the basis of the Bible itself, not by engaging in tit for tat over who's the better saint online. If you had done any measure of serious reading in this thread, you wouldn't have to ask the questions you posed. You would have picked up the answers several times.
I've asked several questions myself. While choosing to ignore them, you want me to answer your questions. How fair is that?
What is your answer to any of the following questions? You've ignored every single one of them.
If Jesus is God, was Moses also God? Both are described as mediators "between" God and the people?
An angel, Moses, David and others in Israel were appointed by Almighty God to serve as God to the people. Since there can be only one Almighty God, and he refuses to share his glory with another, why must we assume that Jesus is God in a way different from other leaders of Israel?
Since Moses foretold that the coming great Prophet was to be a man like himself, taken from his own countrymen, why is it so hard to see that Christ is both man and God in the same sense that Moses was?
When Jesus performed miracles the people marvelled and gave glory to God, not to Jesus. That is completely compatible with the centuries old Jewish concept that God is One Person only. What basis is there scripturally for changing that inspired concept held by Abraham and all other faithful Jews after him?
These questions are merely a start to all I've asked. Be a little fair and try answering from the Bible at least these few. If my questions don't deserve attention, neither do yours.
Herk
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Troublesome Trinity Verses Part 2
by hooberus inon a previous thread many other "troublesome" verses have been brought up.
i will take some of these and start theads for them.
due to the complexity of the subject, several threads each covering one or two verses will be started, lord willing.
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herk
Little Toe,
Here's a suggestion, if you really are interested in answers to your questions:
Just re-read what I've written in this thread. Better yet, skip what I've written and just get out your Bible and read all the biblical references I've given.
Due to your sarcasm, which is totally uncalled for, I seriously doubt that you are interested. In case I'm wrong and you're anxious to know the truth about God and Christ, you'll find the answers in the same inspired book where I found them.
Herk