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  Nails in The WT Coffin

  by hillbilly in

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  nails in the wt coffin-- what kind of nails?

  a while back i posted my opinion that the wt's demise would come at the hand of the "home grown" legal department.

  in my scenario i see the lawyers flitering cash out and creating legal manuvers to protect the players ( like any other corporate "legal theft").

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  Roddy

  Hillbilly >>Whats the old saying- somthing about "enough rope and you will hang yourself"? The "Blessing" of The WT CD will be a curse. Many of the articulate, informed comments we find on this ( and other) boards have been formed using the CD . I really doubt that many would have the patience to do the reasearch and comparisons working strictly in a paper format. <<

  There is one flaw in your argument. Since the WTS holds the information, then the WTS can make quiet edits to the information. I'm sure even the original 1993 WT CD had damning information quietly altered or removed. Even bound volumes are affected.

  The only way to catch the WTS, and to catch them making unannounced changes to their literature, is to have the original published magazines and books, and have all that compared to the bound volumes and WT CDs. Where the comparisons fail that is where the WTS will look double bad: Not only are they caught with the damning information but they are caught in secret tampering of the evidence to avoid being linked with the damning information.

  It will take a lot of people a lot of time going over a lot of paper and data but, if this is carefully done, then the WTS will surely be hung by it as you say.
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  Which religion are you?

  by Aztec in

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  2. beliefs

  i think this is an interesting test.. http://www.selectsmart.com/religion/.

  i was not at all surprised by my results!

  my most compatible match was secular humanist and my least compatible....drumroll please...jehovah's witnesses..... ~aztec

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  Roddy

  1.	Orthodox Judaism (100%)

  2. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (96%) 3. Islam (89%) 4. Sikhism (88%) 5. Jehovah's Witness (88%)6. Reform Judaism (77%) 7. Bah' Faith (72%)8. Jainism (72%) 9. Hinduism (68%) 10. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (64%) 11. Seventh Day Adventist (58%) 12. Orthodox Quaker (55%) 13. Eastern Orthodox (55%) 14. Roman Catholic (55%) 15. Liberal Quakers (49%) 16. Mahayana Buddhism (49%) 17. Neo-Pagan (45%) 18. Unitarian Universalism (44%) 19. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (39%) 20. Theravada Buddhism (36%) 21. New Age (31%) 22. Scientology (29%) 23. New Thought (24%) 24. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (22%) 25. Secular Humanism (19%) 26. Nontheist (17%) 27. Taoism (15%)

  I can't believe I'm a Jew! LOL Amazing that the closest Christian religion match is JW. I thought I was Catholic but this says I'm more Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant.

  Fun test!

  Edited by - Roddy on 28 December 2002 0:27:43
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  Best argument against a Jehovah's Witness?

  by Happy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  don't get me wrong, i'm not one to actively persecute jw's, i'm just wondering what you guys think is the best agrument/point to use when a pesky brother or sister just won't leave you alone.

  normally, i am willing to listen to their drivel out of respect (even though i have no respect for the wt) but there are times when i am not in the mood to hear them babble.

  i normally bring up the 1914 generation point, and it normally works.

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  >>Everyone says that the WTBTS is making a lot of money, and I know they're a billion dollar (b)org. but I don't understand where they get all this money, aside from donations. Don't they give out the mags. free? Anyone wanna explain?<<

  The WTS also own stocks in companies. Some directly and some through shadow companies.

  What would really be cool is if some senior person from the WTS' general accounting dept were to defect or get kicked out. If that person talked, wow. I wonder if the WTS is serious enough to have someone like that 'disappear' before they ever get a chance to talk?
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  Best argument against a Jehovah's Witness?

  by Happy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  don't get me wrong, i'm not one to actively persecute jw's, i'm just wondering what you guys think is the best agrument/point to use when a pesky brother or sister just won't leave you alone.

  normally, i am willing to listen to their drivel out of respect (even though i have no respect for the wt) but there are times when i am not in the mood to hear them babble.

  i normally bring up the 1914 generation point, and it normally works.

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  Roddy

  >>or the easy one is to say ok so jesus choose the wt in 1919 as the fds ...sounds good to me....lets study the wt mag's and books from that time to see if jesus really choose the wt then .... they never will ... at this point you busted them.... and never let them off this study,.,., only old wt's till 1919 if you stick to this point you will never be shut up..... that's a fact.....keep the pressure ON <<

  Especially the point that in Bethel they celebrated Saturnalia on December 25th. (Oops, I meant Christmas.) If they did that then you can be sure they did Easter too! ;)
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  running scared - Elder sighted off the port bow!

  by czarofmischief in

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  2. experiences

  the repercussions of my argument with my mother on the phone the other week are starting to make themselves felt.

  let me be clear: i've been disfellowshipped from the org for two years now.

  i'm loving my freedom of thought.. so i was talking to my mom [still in the borg] and started expressing myself on various subjects on which i disagree, or at least see room for philosophical "wiggle room" with the society's viewpoints.

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  Roddy

  >>What do you guys think I should do? Talk to him? Meet with him? See what he wants? Hide? <<

  Sounds unusual with you being DF for two years. Either they are under an order to try to get DF and DA back into the congregation or maybe they heard that your father ate a meal with you so they can run him through hell for eating with a DF person. That is a major no-no, if you can believe that.

  I don't suggest you tell them anything. If you want, get something in writing about the subject of the meeting they want to have with you - without committing yourself.
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  Anything new on Barbara Anderson's case?

  by Gamaliel in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  can anyone give any details on what to expect next in barbara anderson's case?.

  i just read about the questioning of how a woman got into a researcher position at bethel.

  i have a few questions on this myself, based on the level of involvement i've heard claimed.

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  Roddy

  >>P.S. Take Roddy with you.<<

  What's your problem with me, Eric?
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  i feel sick

  by nelly1 in

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  i just went to the supermarket and came face to face with an elders wife coming out of the store,.

  i was polite and said hello as im just a fader as they refer to it on this board, but im not kidding youd think she had just met hitler.... that is how she reacted to me, i left those meetings cuz of how they treated me and the lies hypocrisy lack of love on and on but being reacted to like that hurts and makes me so angry.... how the heck do you deal with it, it really affects me so much..... its realy hurtful oh well i need to realise shes not important in my life so what she thinks dont matter squatt.

  hard tho isnt it?.

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  Roddy

  >>But he smiled. That meant alot, not because i care about JW crap and their rules, but because I miss this young man, i watched him grow up and hugged him as he cried when they lost their baby to a miscarrige. I know he is only doing what he is taught to do. But still sad.<<

  It's the Borg programming. But it's nice to know that there are some with some humanity left in a few of them and it ventured, even fearfully, to acknowledge it in kindness to a grateful memory.

  Keep fighting evil with good.
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  Watchtower 34th Biggest company in NY

  by JH in

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  http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-biz-nytop100private.story.

  34th biggest company in new york.

  watchtower bible & tract society of new york .

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  Roddy

  >>when you consider that the wt literally sits on top of billions of dollars in cash and assets and has never in thier 130yr history built One hospital anywhere in the world, they have Never opened one college, high school or elementary school anywhere on the face of the earth, the have no abuse center for the community, the wt society has never bought one old yellow school bus so that folks in africa could get not to the WEKLY meetings each week, but to a DISTRICT CONVENTION JUST ONCE A YEAR at least they could rent a yellow school but NOT EVEN A GREYHOUND, but a yellow bus to take the old and sick to the district, instead here you have a BILLION dollar company bragging about the fact that it's members MUST WALK FOR DAYS TO GET TO THIER SALES MEETING<<

  Oh, but they built the nice Patterson Educational Center. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets renamed "Watchtower University" some day. LOL Oh, and there is the Patterson Inn where weary travelers can come in and sleep.

  You know what gets me? Brothers and sisters giving-up thousands of dollars to build kingdom halls and then the elders, unknown to the brothers, transfer ownership to the WTS instead of the local congregation. So when I see that the WTS has close to a billion dollars in assets - I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of that is kingdom halls, assembly halls, and other property bought by private fund but signed-over to the WTS by the elders and traveling overseers.

  Oh, and when the WTS cried for interest free loans, the brotherhood opened their wallets and purses. But when congregations ask the WTS for loans, the WTS will loan the congregation money with interest!

  Gets me mad that I was so blind!

  Edited by - Roddy on 23 December 2002 19:8:43
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  Another good letter of disassociation

  by Dogpatch in

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  another good letter of disassociation:.

  go louise!.

  december 21, 2002. .

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  Roddy

  One has to wonder what the letter openers at the WTS could be made of to read letters like this? Don't they wonder what's going on? Or do they get rotated out for 'rest and relaxation' or perhaps therapy? The WTS must be getting many letters of disassociation, complaints, etc.
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  They Will Betray One Another

  by Shakita in

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  2. friends

  i have read the stories of those that have been unceremoniously drummed out of the watchtower, even though they were making an effort to live quietly, without causing "trouble" by telling their friends and relatives of the wt what they really knew about the true history of the jw's.

  the wt's claim that they don't disfellowship those that have left the faith, is a vicious lie.

  it has been disturbing to me and my wife to hear of such good people being ostracized just because they no longer agree with the wt's interpretation of scripture.

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  Roddy

  >>You know, what the rank and file doesn't know won't hurt them.<<

  Unfortunately, what the rank and file doesn't know does hurt them too. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The WTS loves the power both ways.