Posts by Roddy

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Comments You Wont' Hear at the 9-5-04 WT Study (Abbreviated)

by blondie in

do you think it will be sparse at the meeting today?

i went to a congo where a large group went camping every labor day weekend but only by invitation.

comments you will not hear at the 9-5-04 wt study (august 1, 2004 issue) (abbreviated)

Roddy

Mulan <<I still can't believe you have the stomach to do this every week. >>

I'm amazed too. But I'm grateful that Blondie has both the stomach and the balance to do so. This is one Watchtower study where I really enjoy real research and comments from the audience instead of the same mindless repetition, repetition, repetition.

The WTS is true about one thing: That iron does sharpen iron. Thanks friends!

Plus I'm grateful to enjoy a holiday weekend with friends and family without guilt of missing field service and meetings. And having to explain myself at the next meeting.

Blondie, did you mean "abbreviated" where you said in the subject "aggreviated"?

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What first gave you doubts ?

by rick1199 in

we all know the big problems with the wts, but what was the first thing that made you realise there were problems with the organisation ?

with me it was realitivly small stuff like an 8 year old getting baptised and a comment my best mates made about another of our friends asking if we should be hanging round with her as she might be bad assciation (she had just been reproved, but they had been mates 20 years).. .

how ever the first time i ever thought something was really wrong was when i was about 11 and my grand farther died, and mu mum wouldn't go to the funeral, i remeber thinking that surely it was better to say good bye properly than worry about if the service was in a church.. .

Roddy

In 1995 when the WTS decided that the generation of 1914 was something fluid rather than something exact. They went from people who are aware of what's happening in 1914, to children who are aware, to infants born. Then all bets are off!

That's when I knew something was wrong. God's self proclaimed appointed channel DOESN'T KNOW!

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The JW's release new brochure...."Keep On The Watch!"

by logansrun in

on getting back from the dallas apostafest i was able to see the new release from saturday's convention program that my mother attended.

it's a 32 page brochure entitled, "keep on the watch!

" with the subtitle, "for what?

Roddy

Same crap, different rag!

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The Termination of the WTS

by richard in

jw
friends

just suppose ... the wts will cease to exist.

then this forum has lost its right to exist.

how would you deal with this void in your life?

Roddy

A couple of days ago I was reading, and I can't remember where it was, but it was saying tht the fastest growing religion right now is the Jehovah's Witnesses.

I think the only people who make this claim are the writers at the WTS. They love to play with numbers. What they don't say is probably what's interesting.

Like the number of:

Unwed sisters getting pregnant, having their babies, and raising them up in the kingdom hall.
Growth in the congregation due to childbirth - big payoffs from a gradual hushing of the no-marriage and no-children-in-marriage policy of many years ago. Finally one long term reversal of WTS policy that is paying dividends
Broken and disfunctional families who, in their dispair, recieve a couple of nice smiling JW ladies who knock on your door who want to be your friend. So you let them be your friend, go to their meetings, tow all your kids with you, and they get counted in the meeting attendence figures.

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Beautiful Artwork to Look at!

by Dolllie in

we were discussing this on a previous post!

i just had a chance to look at the "april 8, 2004" awake, with several articles on moses>.

again, i must say, speaking as an artist & an art teacher at the college level, "this pictures/drawings are of excellent quality".

Roddy

That's unfortunate for you. Witnesses have to "sell" pretty pictures because the articles lack any depth. Same principle as Playboy if you think about it.

I remember when the cover of the Watcthower never changed. Just the grand two color picture of the Watchtower and then a frame in the center of it with a partial list of articles. The Awake was just a cover with a partial list of articles. Only VERY special articles had full artwork on the cover.

Then someone in the WTS who probably graduated from high school came up with the idea of having nicer looking covers for the magazines. Even (gasp!) using more than two colors and employing graphics. You can see how the covers of the magazines, and in the inside, got more attractive and stylish. After all, now that the magazines are offered with the donation arrangement, you have to guilt-trip people to giving something because of the high quality artwork.

All I have to say to that is this:

(NWT) Psalm 127:1 Unless Jehovah himself builds the house,
It is to no avail that its builders have worked hard on it.
Unless Jehovah himself guards the city,
It is to no avail that the guard has kept awake.

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JW Baby Given Blood

by Kenneson in

despite the parents objections, a duval county, florida (jacksonville area) judge ordered blood transfusions for a baby born prematurely.

interestingly, even the aclu did not side with the parents.

see "judge overrides parents on giving blood to baby.

Roddy

The little know fact that JWs loose these cases all the time and their children get blood all the time. Some states has speacial expediated medical hearings and rubber stamp these orders insanely fast. Before you can contest the kids is a ward of the state. It is a mind game for dumb JWs to believe JW children don't get blood.

Perhaps secretly the parents know this but go through the motions anyway knowing that the state will rescue the child. At least they can say to their murderous elders, "well, we did what was asked but the state took over and forced the blood". With that they don't have to fear disfellowshipping as it was out of their control.

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Faced with loss of tax breaks, Danish WTS drops "Bible-Based" stance

by Nathan Natas in

from an awake!

correspondent in cyber-space:

with the threat of removal of tax breaks hanging over their heads, watchtower has changed from ther bible-based position.

Roddy

Well I'll be dammed, that is great. I can only hope that the same set of rules will be adopted everywhere.

Won't happen. Letters to Bodies of Elders are unpublished and therefore are case by case. But thanks to those who takes these secret letters and publish them for the world to see, maybe the WTS can be shamed (or sued) to make this a single organizational policy.

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What Watchtower Belief Is The Silliest To You???

by minimus in

2 for me---the doctrine of the "faithful and discreet slave" and the whole "blood thing"......and you?????

?

Roddy

2 for me---the doctrine of the "faithful and discreet slave" and the whole "blood thing"......And you??????

There are so many!

Monthly field service reports
The whole Field Service thing
Brothers not wearing a beard - even though Jesus has one
Sisters not wearing slacks - even in freezing weather
The WTS' unsolicited opinions and rulings on medial issues - including the issue of blood
Traveling overseers
Traveling overseer's reports on the congregation
Secretly held judicial meetings, no recording devices, no transcripts, no witnesses, records are made afterwards about you without your knowledge and examination, always two or more elders against one of you, you are guilty and you had to prove yourself innocent, and they had two or more weeks to prepare for the encounter while they spring-up the need for a meeting with you, at their right time, immediately after a meeting and attack you with the charges.
Gotta wear a suit to every meeting - even if it is a congregation book study in your own home
Questions and Answers - They read the question and you read the answer from the publication. Heaven forbid that there is actually any discussion!!! And what was the use of "studying and preparing" for the Watchtower
A brother sleeping overnight at a sister or women's house alone is grounds for scriptural divorce
A brother can't enter the home of a sister alone - but it is ok for the refrigerator repairman to enter the sister's home unchaperoned
Having an unkept lawn or car is a bad reflection on Jehovah
The need of a "witness" to prove child abuse
If a sister didn't scream during terrifying rape or molestation then she must have enjoyed it and is guilty of fornication
The need of a judical committee for matters where the police and the legal system is better at handling and which is the law of the land anyway
Collections for the circuit overseer
Meetings even on a friday night - I actually moved congregations when my assigned congregation scheduled one of the meetings on a friday. Apparently this was to give the friends, including young people, a spiritual place to go on a friday night. Heaven forbid they have such a good time friday night that they couldn't get up for saturday morning field service!
The "Donation arrangement" on literature
Calling the "selling" of literature "placements"
Using literature placements as a calling card to make return visits
The lastest Watchtower superceeds any and all previous Watchtowers and publications
Can't vote but ok to make letter writing campaigns to officals
Partial and incomplete quotations and references in publications
The stupid formatted Watchower LISTED branch mailing addresses of:

ALASKA 99507
PUERTO RICO 00970
HAWAII 96819
GUAM 96913
CANADA L7G 4Y4
ENGLAND NW7 1RN
TAIWAN 327
But the USA mailing address is correctly formatted, however

Ok that's all the time I have. Believe me I had more.

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Tubal pregnancy.....here's a mind-boggler......

by goddess_baal in

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i always wondered (even when i was still in the organization), but never had the guts to ask.. if a woman becomes pregnant, but the egg has implanted in the falopian tube....will the jw's condone an abortion to save the life of the mother?

or does it boil down to their usual pansy-ass, "matter of conscience" excuse.

Roddy

A Christian woman with a tubal pregnancy can decide whether to accept this operation. Normally she undoubtedly would be willing to face any risks of pregnancy so that her child could live. But with a tubal pregnancy she faces a grave risk while there is no possibility that the embryo can continue to live and a child be born.

I'm sorry but even this would have to be a no-brainer. Yet I wonder how many women, from years of WTS conditioning, had to ask their elders for the ok for this operation? I suppose that even if they asked their own husbands, it's what the elders decides is what counts. After all, the elders are just a few steps down the command chain from Jehovah!

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That damnable New York Post

by onacruse in

newspapers, by their representatives, seek interviews to get matter for a ?story,?

and out of the facts contained in the information furnished a ?story?

is made up.

Roddy

Gee, When the WTS uses un-named quotes in their WT's its OK, why is it a problem now??

Excellent point!