i just got through talking to a couple of elders, they both had moved here from other places, one from fla and one from wis. i can't remember their names.
they said the society had instructed them to call on all inactive ones.. they were nice to me, but had the same old answers that i used to present.
i brought up a lot of things for them to think about, but their minds have been carefully programed so it didn't register.
Blondie:you said
"There is no place for an SSN. That must have been a idiosyncrasy of the congregation/or circuit you lived in"
Your response makes me even more curious as to why anyone (our PO) would have asked us for such private information. I could kick myself for having been such a compliant fool.
Cookie
i just got through talking to a couple of elders, they both had moved here from other places, one from fla and one from wis. i can't remember their names.
they said the society had instructed them to call on all inactive ones.. they were nice to me, but had the same old answers that i used to present.
i brought up a lot of things for them to think about, but their minds have been carefully programed so it didn't register.
Blondie:
Do you or anyone else on this board recall a time (in the early eighties) when the PO's obtained the birth dates AND social security numbers of each publisher?
I recall being taken aback by the request (though I obediently complied!), but since I have left I have ocassionally wondered about the possible reasons why they required our SS numbers.
Cookie
as posted here
if maitreya is the anti-christ, he sure is a lazy one!
the guy is holed up somewhere in london and is about middle aged by now.
Focus,you wrote:
"The real thing is a lot worse." I would love to hear you elaborate.
Cookie
i went to the public talk given by the c.o.
and the whole theme was that jw's should wear an identity card so that everyone would know who they were.we should feel happy that by our merely voicing our position as jw's, that everyone knows what we are and who we stand for.
we should be happy to make a stand and sit down for the flag salute, to show we won't worship it.
Minimus,
Did they speak of the GPS tracking device that will be part of it?
Cookie
an interesting column from the ayn rand institute concerning the recent world beauty contest in nigeria.. http://www.aynrand.org/medialink/columns/rt112702.shtml.
one paragraph stood out:.
"but the most revealing element of this islamic attack was a slogan chanted by rioters: "down with beauty.
Expatbrit:
Canadian here! What's a hoser?
Cookie
P.S. I wish we had an English professor on board who could disect this article for us. It is a great example to learn from.
an interesting column from the ayn rand institute concerning the recent world beauty contest in nigeria.. http://www.aynrand.org/medialink/columns/rt112702.shtml.
one paragraph stood out:.
"but the most revealing element of this islamic attack was a slogan chanted by rioters: "down with beauty.
Expatbrit:
I enjoyed your post,it was both informative and inciteful.After reading it, I am left with the questions:
What was the purpose of such an article?
Could it be that Rand assumes its readers are simple minded and easily manipulated?
It is race baiting. (simple as that!)
Cookie
i am curious.. 1) does anyone on this board have an opinion about the refusnik movement occurring in israel?.
2) can anyone who has left the wt organization (for conscientious reasons) relate to the consequences of their present position?.
cookie
Focus,
In addition to the other interesting points that you brought up,you wrote:
"It should not be forgotten the Palestinian cause is a very convenient one for anti-semitic Arabs too. It suits them to have victims of Israeli aggression to hold up to the world. "
That is a very good observation;and I never even considered it. Perspective is so important to the interpretation of events isn't it.
Cookie
i know this subject has been covered before but at the time it was i felt differently than i do now.
i used to feel that all of us are responsible for our actions and i should not place greater blame on elders, circuit and district overseers and governing body members.
i no longer feel that way.
Islandwoman,you wrote:
" I am not an eloquent writer but will try to explain myself as best I can."
I must disagree with you on this one point (only) I believe you were very eloquent!
Well said.
Cookie
i am curious.. 1) does anyone on this board have an opinion about the refusnik movement occurring in israel?.
2) can anyone who has left the wt organization (for conscientious reasons) relate to the consequences of their present position?.
cookie
Mordecai:
I do think it is very difficult to stand up for conscientious reasons in Israel.
You wrote:" The refuseniks are like the Jw's in some ways wouldn't you say"
If you mean by that, they are conscientous objectors , ( I believe) there is a distiction to be made.
JW's have been conscientious objectors. But was it because of conscience or WT directives? I cannot judge the motives of anyone,but if they had a choice some of them may have done otherwise.
A lot of the Israeli Refusniks were already soldiers willing to defend their state until they came to the realization that a "Black Cloud" was hanging over them. This is what makes their decision appear as a truly conscientious one.
They have come to believe (through first hand knowledge) that what they were doing in the IDF was totally incongruent with the principles of democracy and morality that their country is supposed to stand for.And they are experiencing hardships as a result. It was even suggested recently that they be put to death for their stance.
The Refuseniks remind me more of of the disident JW's who have come to realize that groupthink negates conscience. JW's who are willing to lose so much that has become precious to them (i.e. family,friends, lifestyle,etc,)in order to remain true to that voice within.
The children growing up in Israel have also been conditioned (from infancy)to think the way the organization wants them to think; and the responses they face for rejecting the "company line" are similar to what a JW experiences.
But there is something that makes their stand even more outstanding.
We are all familiar with the expression."A man can have no greater love than to lay down his life for his friends".
Well, the Refuseniks are putting everything on the line for people who have been their enemies.To me,that is certainly greater than the love mentioned above,and it puts CONSCIENCE on a higher plane than familial love.
I ,for one, have been inspired by this group.
Cookie
i am curious.. 1) does anyone on this board have an opinion about the refusnik movement occurring in israel?.
2) can anyone who has left the wt organization (for conscientious reasons) relate to the consequences of their present position?.
cookie
I am curious.
1) Does anyone on this board have an opinion about the Refusnik movement occurring in Israel?
2) Can anyone who has left the WT organization (for conscientious reasons) relate to the consequences of their present position?
Cookie
