I don't think the Hebrew scriptures ever mention a paradise earth and living forever on it, just a couple of vague scriptures about the meek living on on earth. As far as the NT goes it's clearly all about ones going off to heaven until new Jerusalem comes down but to earth it's clear especially when it's bigger then the earth. Both these concepts come from Egyptian older religious beliefs so I believe the Christians were copying this older religion.
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The Heavenly Hope -- Simplified Suggestion
by FusionTheism inthe bible says there is just "one hope" for christians (ephesians 4:4).. revelation says god will come down and bring heaven down to earth.
(revelation 21:2-3).
the old testament focuses more on the hope of the earth being a paradise and the new testament focuses more on going to heaven.. but as we can see revelation and ephesians, there is only "one hope," and we will get to experience both the paradise earth and heaven.. i see no reason in the bible why we would need to take the number 144,000 literally in revelation, where almost all the other numbers mentioned are symbolic..
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Get behind me...ERM Satan!
by username inok random thought just popped in my mind!.
if satan was cast down from heaven in 1914 how did he tempt jesus almost 2000 years previously?
surely jeeeeehovah wouldn't have let the evil one reside in heaven for so long?
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There are two scriptures in the Bible that imply Satan was cast out of heaven in the time of Jesus being on earth. Just like there are several that imply Jesus was made king back then too. 1914 was simply a cover up, Russell predicted armegedon and they had to scramble to say something else happened that year to distract away from his failed prophecy. So they then said the gentile times has ended and Jesus was made king of course invisibly. -
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At the RC now part 2
by All for show inok... my other thread i cant respond.
we went to shut up our family... but myhusband is seething and said his brain has shut off.. the stupid is amazing.. they are playing videos that are lame and pointless for the first symposium.. for the first symposium... they asked why the bible has no pictures.
because it was before photography...jesus used word pictures!!
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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?
by Viviane inrecently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.
i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.
i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.
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There so many prophecies that did not come true. The destruction of Tyre, Damascus, Jesus coming back before some of them would taste death etc. If only one doesn't come true then the Bible is false and I can think of six just off the top of my head. -
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Help? :(
by BlackWolf ini apologize for how rantish this is but please hear me out.
anyways i'm a 15 year old girl and i've never really wanted to be a jw.
its just never been something thats made me feel happy or loved.
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Make friends here, stay focused on school and getting a great education. Stay busy with hobbies and make goals. When your old enough you can move hopefully with a scholarship to a college. Be glad that you're figuring out that your in a cult now and not when you 50. Hang in there. -
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Out of the Mouth of Babes - Bethel Gift shop?
by 4thgen inabout a week ago i posted to ask for some suggestions on how handle my (pre-teen) sons upcoming trip with his father trip to bethel this summer.
i got some wonderful suggestions.
some of which was to leave him alone, as he will see through the bullshxt himself.
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Just make sure your son continues to see videos like Lett begging for money the new cartoon etc. I would be pro active not like others say because the borg followers have BS answers for everything -
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I think the WT believed their own "growth" statements - Financial Trouble Thoughts
by thedepressedsoul inwe've all read, heard and have seen in the videos where jw's and their leaders talk about the "huge" growth that is taking place.
they've talked about how many kh they needed, branches etc... .
our co last visit he mentioned how quickly the organization is speeding up and the huge growth they are seeing.
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Another thing to consider is these guys are not poor, in fact they have more money then ever before but thier inflow of cash per month is down and like any good business thier just trying to get it back up. -
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I think the WT believed their own "growth" statements - Financial Trouble Thoughts
by thedepressedsoul inwe've all read, heard and have seen in the videos where jw's and their leaders talk about the "huge" growth that is taking place.
they've talked about how many kh they needed, branches etc... .
our co last visit he mentioned how quickly the organization is speeding up and the huge growth they are seeing.
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Thier trying to squeeze money out of a turnip, bottom line no matter how you squeeze it's still a turnip -
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They lie about everything, why don’t they lie about annual publisher growth?
by John Aquila injwfacts show that publisher growth was 15% pre- 1975 and has decline to about 2%.
what prevents them from fudging the annual growth and keeping it at something more positive like 10%?.
"a great crowd that no man is able to number".
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I think the writing was on the wall maybe after 1995, because after that I believe is when they started simplifying their publications saying they were growing so fast but in reality they knew at that point that they needed to change because people were leaving faster then joining. -
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Witnesses called for a bible study
by umbertoecho inhello all.. i haven't been here for some time to post as mainly i read the comments and such.
yesterday was a really interesting, unnerving experience though.
two sisters had called last week when i had an abscess on my tooth and was sort of sick from it.
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They really don't know how to use just the bible. Their books lay it out for them and scripture flip to get the point across. Discussing the bible one chapter at a time will trip them up. The fact that you want to lay down some ground rules just makes them think your some apostate or born again Christian that's trying to get your point across. They don't want this, this religion is for people that don't have a clue what the bible teaches. Most people that come in to this religion are former Catholics, Mormons attract mostly Baptists. Anyway I would proceed with great caution, this cult really knows how to twist the bible. You may want to ask yourself why you would want to have anything to do with a cult that doesn't follow the teachings of Christ?