I remember a couple of years ago someone ran the numbers going back several decades and listed the year over year of the ones missing in their Statistics. According to the numbers over a million people have left or died per decade in the last couple of decades . I think these numbers didn’t include those that never got baptized. It’s probably very accurate that for every person getting baptized their realistically loosing as many if not more . I think more. I think the PEW surveys are very accurate, they really are loosing close to 70% of their members and to hide this they have lied about their numbers probably since the late 1970s.
Crazyguy
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284000 baptized in 2017
by jw-verite inseen in the 03/2018 watchtower study :.
"during the 2017 service year, more than 284,000 “rightly disposed” individuals symbolized their dedication to jehovah by water baptism.".
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-march-2018/baptism-requirement-for-christians/.
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Position on blood idolatrous?
by Jehovah lol ini just had this thought in my other thread.. jehovah witnesses refuse blood transfusions because they believe blood to be the sacred symbol of life.
that's the primary reason, the medical justifications are simply ad hoc excuses.
couldn't it be said that their willingness to give their lives for the sanctity of the symbol of life is idolatrous?
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I think it best to show what it says in the Bible that Jesus’s taught , mercy not sacrifice Mathew chapter 12 . Nothing entering in to a man can defile him Mathew 15 I believe. Also going back to chapter 12 the whole chapter is about willingness not to let a man or animal die because it would be breaking The sabbath to save him it.
One can also go back to Leviticus chapter 17 and read towards the end that it was ok to eat a dead animal blood and all of you didn’t kill it. The whole chapter is about respecting the life of the animal you killed by pouring out it’s blood.
Your point is well stated and others have used the illustration of a married couple putting their wedding rings on the night stand when they go to bed each night. A fire breaks out and the man wakes up to see what’s going on and notices his wife is passed out from the smoke , he doesn’t grab her and carry her out but instead grabs her wedding ring.
Its also worth mentioning the hypocrisy of the cult in this subject. They teach no blood but then turn around and say that blood fractions are ok. Some of these fractions like hemoglobin are in fact packed red blood cells with only their outer membrane taken off. They also allows for the use of cows blood again bovine hemoglobin with its outer membrane taken off to bypass the need to type the persons blood. This product Hemopure has been used successfully by JWs in the past and the once bankrupt company is now back in business. This is hypocrisy at its highest level!
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What's changed since I left in 2006?
by Jehovah lol ini think i made a thread like this a couple of years ago but i can't remember what was said and i'd rather have a new discussion anyway.. what's different in the wts since i left it behind in 2006?.
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One of the most disgusting things that they did is tell the elder to send all the money the congregation had to headquarters and only keep about three months expenses in their local account. They were told this money would all be pulled together to help pay for all the growth and needed Kingdom Halls worldwide. If the elders then needed some money to pay for their own new hall or remodeling needs they could contact the branch and they would get the money they needed.
Now after all the money has been taken if a elder body asks the branch for some money for Kingdom Hall issues or a new Kingdom Hall their instructed to put up a contribution box in their hall and when the members have contributed enough money they can then use it for their local needs. Another words their not getting their money back, all stolen!
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What's changed since I left in 2006?
by Jehovah lol ini think i made a thread like this a couple of years ago but i can't remember what was said and i'd rather have a new discussion anyway.. what's different in the wts since i left it behind in 2006?.
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Crazyguy
Not officially but they did a pledge drive a few years ago and expect each congregation to continue to give each month what they pledge. They also come up with one expense after another . Insurance for the hall, insurance for the COs , money to pay for the cost of being able to take credit cards, whatever scam they can think of. They even ask for money to help with those in need after natural disasters yet the money never makes it to them.
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284000 baptized in 2017
by jw-verite inseen in the 03/2018 watchtower study :.
"during the 2017 service year, more than 284,000 “rightly disposed” individuals symbolized their dedication to jehovah by water baptism.".
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-march-2018/baptism-requirement-for-christians/.
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An exCO is posting over on Reddit. He says that when he was still a CO it was always a big push for the elders up to the COs to show growth each year. With this kind of pressure it would not be much for the elders to fudge the numbers. We also know the cult fudges the numbers when they do their yearly report in August. Because of the way they do their accounting people are often counted more then once in that month.
A good indicator of their lies is the number of baptized just a year ago or so in the USA . The US is their bread and butter country and if only 11k are baptized there’s no way that number off sets the number of ones being dfd , dying or just plain leaving.
Lets review they say that closing Kingdom Halls is because of massive growth. Does that make any sense? Of course not, this cult is all smoke and mirrors. I bet they have less then 4 million active members.
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What's changed since I left in 2006?
by Jehovah lol ini think i made a thread like this a couple of years ago but i can't remember what was said and i'd rather have a new discussion anyway.. what's different in the wts since i left it behind in 2006?.
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A lot. All they care about now is that you recognize that the leaders are a question, that who is the faithful and discreet slave ? And that you blindly follow all their teachings with out question! More and more cultish all the time!! Doctrine really doesn’t matter just that you do what they tell you.
That and they beg for money a whole bunch more today. They have stolen all the money from the congregations and all their Kingdom Halls.
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I will put together a collage of articles and scriptures that contradict shunning.
by poopie ini will use the teachings of watchtower to refute there own shunning rules.
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Don’t forget Mathew chapter 5 about verse 45 or so.
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Non JW wife/JW husband Christmas tree debate
by spacegirl443 infirst post here and looking for advice and help.
sorry in advance for it being so long :(.
i'm a happily married woman (no kids) who is a non-jw, presbyterian to be precise.
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Crazyguy
I don’t know if these scriptures t were brought up by another member but Romans chapter 14 and the book of Colossians both say celebrating a holiday is ok and up to the persons conscience. You can also bring out that the JWs say it’s ok for Mexicans to use a piñata which has pagan orgins back to the Aztecs and sun worship as well as human sacrifice.
The cult is hypocritical and just takes scriptures they want out of the Bible to make them fit their doctrine ignoring others !
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284000 baptized in 2017
by jw-verite inseen in the 03/2018 watchtower study :.
"during the 2017 service year, more than 284,000 “rightly disposed” individuals symbolized their dedication to jehovah by water baptism.".
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-study-march-2018/baptism-requirement-for-christians/.
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Crazyguy
There’s other graphs that show from year to year numbers they report that they loose almost as many as they report being baptized. I willing to bet that any actual new baptized ones are from third world countries and are replacing ones leaving in the rest of the world. In twenty years this will be a cult mostly of Africans.
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March 2018 Study Watchtower
by Listener inthe first study article is about getting bible studies and children baptized.
there is much more emphasis placed on parents to get their own children baptized rather than focusing on bible students.
they try to impress on others the need for urgency.
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Crazyguy
Constantly beating down the members and their attitude towards children prove they do not have any themselves and have zero clue how to treat them.
Also this article and their constant push to get young ones baptized proves to me that they are not growing like they claim but loosing members and therefore are trying to get as many children baptized as possible so they become trapped in the cult.