many have said that jesus never shunned anyone.
yet it seems that the apostle paul said to shun an unrepentant sinner, "stop keeping company" and "not even eating with such a man" 1co 5:9-12. it seems like shunning is what paul wanted us to do.
but honestly, it doesn't seem right to me.
Yes that my biggest pet peeve. Even if one is shunned because he’s doing something very wrong in the congregation and then was kicked out, no where does it say that if this one stops and is repentant he is to be still shunned for another year or two until the elders decided to stop it.
Something else to consider and maybe inwrong on this but I believe that 2 Corinthians was written as a type of apology for the things written in 1 Corinthians. So Paul had a change of heart.
hey forum goers.
i'd like your opinions on constructing an email reply to this shocker below.
bit of background about the sender: she is a middle-aged, cheery uberdub whose siblings left when a schism occured in her congregation in canada way back when.
Send her the paragraph that pale put in his post and follow it with proverbs chapter 4. JW s cherry pick and only use verse 18 then twists its meaning but the whole chapter is about wisdom and once you gain it it’s like the light of understanding. This chapter shows that it’s ok to gain wisdom unlike what WT says.
i've noticed in the past 10 years that the social support that used to be available in the congs, a shoulder to cry on, elders to help with family/marriage issues these seem to have been purposely withdrawn.
counsel is even heard from the platform that the elders are not there to help people with their problems.. so first in the 80s-90s they take away the congregation get to getters and social events and now they seem to be going one step further in taking away the emotional support for people too.. this will take away an aspect that i'm sure was keeping alot of people in the borg, the community support.
if that's not there and its just about meetings and ministry how many will start to get their emotional support elsewhere?.
This religion had always been about getting people to push their products and propaganda never about people helping people. When they do do something for someone it’s becasue that congregation is different.
i was asked last sunday, after a meeting that i attended with my wife, by a good friend if i believed that these were indeed the "last days".
what prompted his question was the public talk given by a young man that i have known since he was 7 years old and is now an elder at 30.. the talk made mention several times that we are 'definitely' living in the "last days".
i assume that the expression "last days" was prominent in the outline.. i hope that he way i answered my friend's question jump started his thinking.
I’m sure that’s the next excuse they’ll use “we said were in the last days and we know that a day can be several thousand years in Jehovah’s mind so we weren’t lying “ “now give us more money!”
i know we have all said it before, but it simply blows my mind that the jws doing cart work do not have bibles on the cart to give out to interested ones!.
how can they say they are "bible students" trying to share the "bibles message" and not give out bibles!?.
other christian groups take the commission to share the bible seriously!
One excuse they use is a few years ago they noticed that people were requesting the Bible and then taking the pages out to use as cigarette paper when rolling up thier tobacco. But in a reality it’s about the money.
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/tas-anglicans-to-sell-property-for-redress/news-story/f56eb0caabc16212229c3b0d6d940e3c.
tas anglicans to sell property for redress.
survivors of child sexual abuse in tasmania will get a payout after the anglican diocese announced the sale of more than 120 churches, halls and houses.. kaitlyn offer - australian associated press april 22, 2018 2:30pm.
Is this program can completely voluntary?
anyone know what may have been gong on at paterson in 1998?
i was listening to a interview and and ex bethelite relative was asking him what was going with the wt up off route 22. this person told him that ten oil or gas delivery trucks per day, the big ones were delivering to the wt.
i’m assuming it was to paterson not knowing if any other properties were or are owned by wt off of route 22?
Anyone know what may have been gong on at Paterson in 1998? I was listening to a interview and and ex bethelite relative was asking him what was going with the WT up off route 22. This person told him that ten oil or gas delivery trucks per day, the big ones were delivering to the WT. I’m assuming it was to Paterson not knowing if any other properties were or are owned by WT off of route 22?
avon lake ohio.
while new mega church being built right down the street!.
These people know that they may loose some big lawsuits over child abuse so sell off as many properties as possible and then invest the profits in some other real estate that’s not to easy to locate as JW properties as well as put them in another corporation so as to not identify with Watchtower.
Lets also not forget that during a video a JW leader mentioned they had records on most of their publishers in the US minus 400,000. He goes on to state that this is just an over site and they hope to collect this missing data but I’m willing to bet that most of these 400,000 missing publishers don’t exist.
jesus was a real and historical person (not the way jws or the rest of the people think him to be) because of the following historical facts:.
1) the fact that the most influential political establishment of that time (roman empire) was convinced that jesus’ name would sell to suit their political agenda (to promote slavery) shows that jesus was as historical as roman empire itself; hence they implanted slavery-friendly verses into the bible as though spoken by jesus (such as mathew 5:39, 41; 24:45 ..etc) this was in contrast to the real personality jesus really was—he was a man of courage, who ‘walked alone to do what is right if those invited refused to accompany him.’ when his family and disciples were fond of sleeping, his delight was to spend early morning hours alone, in meditation, with god to the extent he could say he was “one” with qualities of god.
(mark 1:35; john 8:1, 2; 10:30) such a person would naturally be too famous and too crowd-pulling against whom even the influential people were helpless even when they were whipped out of the temple which reminds us of “hollywood rambo style” merely because of his moral authority (not that he had any supernatural powers to perform miracles).. 2) similarly, emerging religion (apostate christianity) too knew they could misuse the name of jesus to serve its commercial agenda.
There is some evidence that just maybe one of the rebel leaders of the Jewish revolt was turned into Jesus and then the mythology and god like messianic qualities added later, maybe as spite.
Just like so many other bible characters Moses, Nimrod, David, Solomon, etc. these all could of been based off a real person or mythological character from a different place or time and then made to be a real person in the Bible.
i wondered about that when i heard garret loesch state that shortly before the tribulation the governing body would be taken up.
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if this is the case, it seems like garret and the other seven would be there just in time to help out in the killing of billions.. i thought they used to say that some would survive armageddon before they were taken up..
The GB think their the 24 elders the judges and the 144k but in reality their none of the above.
