hey guys, this is my first time posting on here but lets get started.. so i'm a 17 year old boy who currently attends meetings at a congregation in indianapolis.
i live with my grandparents, on my father's side, because my mother died in 2010. i been attending meetings since i was 10. my mother got into the religion but then got disfellowshiped.
my dad is on and off, he currently just got reinstated.
If I were you I would plan your life and get an education then a job then move away. Fake it for now and then just fade away. Most JWs that leave do this and can have a somewhat of normal life especially if your away from JW family. Until your established enough to be on your own and don’t need their help just go through the motions and keep quiet.
When older and no longer need them you can be a little vocal if asked why you no longer attend. Just be careful what you say and how you say it.
page 15 of awake!
2017 provides an image that shows hebrew writing with the statement: “the personal name of god written in ancient hebrew characters appears abundantly in early manuscripts of the bible”.. alongside that image, the awake!
provides a listing to show “the rendering of ‘god’s name’ in various languages”.. the facts do not support either assertion that the watchtower society makes:.
Here’s my overall view of the Old Testament Doug and that is that it’s all a myth. I don’t know if there is much real history in the Moses story. Yes the writers uses some real people places and even events but the over all story is fiction. So with that said what’s the reason behind the story? Was it to try and create an identity for a people, something the Greeks were known for, or something else.
You mention Israel but that’s another big question . Israel if it ever existed was wiped off the planet way back in early Assyrian times so why is it even talked about in these writings? There is also very little evidence outside the Bible of a people or place called Israel. Now the god of Israel, if you take the Bible out of the mix it looks as though the people living in the areas known as the Levant , in the north worshipped El then Baal as well as other gods in that pantheon. Then to the south the area we now call Judah there evidence they may have been worshipping the same gods but also Egyptian ones as well. Hezzekia bulla is one example suggesting this.
One last point to mention is this whole area was mostly under the control of Egypt until about 600s BC when then the Assyrians followed by Babylonians then Persians and Greeks dominated their area. Each group would have influenced the population on what gods to worship.
P.S. let’s not forget the original name for the city of Jerusalem was named after a Canaanite god for the (morning or evening light ) {can’t remember which} but why doesn’t the god or it’s followers of The Levant if from Southern Mesopotamia or Egypt or any other area and pantheon out side that of the Canaanites demand the city’s name to be changed?
someone asked me what does the world have to offer if left the truth?
'coz i'm still in the process of leaving i just said i don't feel i fit in the truth or the world.
she's known me for 12 years and she's the 3rd person recently to say i've changed.
I would say the awe inspiring feeling of reality with out a fake safety net. Living life and feeling tasting touching and seeing things in a new clear crisp sense of awe!!!
page 15 of awake!
2017 provides an image that shows hebrew writing with the statement: “the personal name of god written in ancient hebrew characters appears abundantly in early manuscripts of the bible”.. alongside that image, the awake!
provides a listing to show “the rendering of ‘god’s name’ in various languages”.. the facts do not support either assertion that the watchtower society makes:.
Earnest, your guy maybe an expert in the Arameans but what he says about the Hebrews is just popular propaganda. The Hebrew alphabet starts with the Alef a bulls head. The god El was depicted as a bull and so is Jehovah. Most of the descriptions about the god El are also descriptions of Jehovah .
page 15 of awake!
2017 provides an image that shows hebrew writing with the statement: “the personal name of god written in ancient hebrew characters appears abundantly in early manuscripts of the bible”.. alongside that image, the awake!
provides a listing to show “the rendering of ‘god’s name’ in various languages”.. the facts do not support either assertion that the watchtower society makes:.
I think one thing that needs to be considered is the fact that the Jewish gods name was being written as ywh or something similar way before the massorites. This idea that the massorites said gods name is to holy to write down and substituted his name for yhwh is crap. The partial spelling of the Tetragrammaton is found in older writings.
There is a writing found of Jews stating gods name as ywh I believe and then has a picture a old Egyptian god Bes. Some believe an old Egyptian moon deity with a similar name and spelling as ywh is the god of the Jews and over time he morphed or absorbed some of the other Egyptian gods and was himself absorbed into the god Osiris. There is a statue of the god El wearing a hat that looks similar to that of the hat of Osiris.
The Egyptians traded and heavily influenced the Canaanites all the way up to the ancient city of Ugarit where they worshipped El . The Hittites just north of there also had a pantheon of gods very similar to that of the Egyptians.
Moses name and that of Solomon are Egyptian. Maybe the story of Moses was to help push the influence of an Egyptian deity over the more Canaanite Baal ?
we were having this discussion in the office the other day and we came to the conclusion minimum wage is better because it still adds to the economy vs minimum income which someone could potentially stay at home and do nothing and still get paid without producing a thing for the greater economy.. thoughts?.
In not familiar with minimum income but in the US they have a minimum wage. In states where the minimum wage is higher the states economy is better. Studies have shown the higher the minimum wage the better the economy. Again it’s obvious from state to state, the lower the minimum wage or in states they have right to work laws which means anti union their economy is usually worse.
the other day i ran into a jw who just happened to be my very friend during my jw days (which were most of my life).
so for about 60 years we were each other’s very best friend.
we grew up together from about 8 years old and are the same age, now in our early 70’s.
Nice rebuttal “the truth left the truth” I’ll try to remember to use that.
if you are a former jw elder, can you share any examples of corruption which you personally witnessed that were kept secret from the congregation?
following is an account from a longtime elder named tommy who recently disassociated.. the minor daughter of a presiding elder in a west texas congregation committed fornication with a 19-year old baptized witness in her father’s home.
the daughter had to confess to a judicial committee which included the aforementioned tommy.
This isn’t very bad but shows obvious favoritism. POs daughter starts dating worldly guy then moves in with him. Apparently the dating was hush hush and when she moves in with him it’s all innocent their just room mates. Nothing happens to her and she openly shares she’s dating him and they finally get married. Not once was she JCd or anything , I guess if your a POs kid you can do anything.
its not wars caused by satan and man.
its hurricanes, floods, earthquakes and tornadoes!
so the logical question is jesus showed he can control the weather when on earth.
The 2004 tsunami was a wake up call to many and the cyclone that hit the Philippines and took out 3 Kingdom Halls killing 45 of his supposed people should have been a major eye opener to most JWs but unfortunately it was not. Zombies don’t wake up they can only be put down.
for almost 12 years now, i have been coming to this site on a regular basis and in the last 5, i “faded out”.
i never regretted this and never will.
unfortunately though, yesterday, i realized that, until i can publically tell all my old acquaintances why i have left, i will never be truly free.
Glad your moving on, at some point we have to wash this cult and it’s affects out of our system and not ever think about it again. Be happy!
