according to these sources (city of ancient ugaritic tablets found in 1928) , elyon divided up all the nations into seventy nations, one for each of his sons (elim) .
sons of god makes the most sense than the sons of israel-deut.
32:8 especially since there was no nation of israel listed in the table of nations.
Yeah way over the head of JWs as they don’t have a clue about anything not told to them by their leaders.
Can you list the source for your Ugaritic comment? I know of an older Septuagint text that stated that the sons of god were allocated the nations but didn’t know they found a similar text at Ugarit.
and now it's 2018 and we are still here.
that's like saying back in 1930 the events of the civil war show we are in the last days!
it has now been that long!.
All you have to do is ask yourselves when would you rather be alive, around 1914 or during the Black Plague or maybe when the mongals were ravaging the world or many other times when the world was way crazier scary then around the time of 1914? Was half all of Europe’s population killed during WWII I know one of the plagues did that? What time in history was worse after the 1 century?
i have come to the conclusion that there is no way for me to ever leave.
although i have some friends at work, my whole social structure are witnesses.
even if i move congregations, my parents have contacts everywhere who will tell them if i’m not active.
Look while you living at home there’s nothing you can do so don’t fight it. Make a plan for an education so you can have a better life when you leave your parents house. When you have moved make sure to move away from your parents congregation then reduce your meeting attendance to maybe one a week. As far as hours in service . Go out once maybe twice a month and fake your hours. Go out maybe for a couple of actual real hours but put down 6-8 hours in a month. Enough so they leave you alone but not to much where they start to want to groom you as a MS or something.
You can go one this way all your life if you wish.
jesus the non judgmental man who ate with sinners, fed the hungry, showed compassion for the poor, and who wanted mercy not sacrifice is the going to be leading the charge out of heaven with fire in eyes and out for blood.
killing 99.9 % of all men, women and children on earth.
because they didn't heed some obscure religious group that hadn't gotten one bible prophecy right in almost 150 years?!
Well acording to the Bible all those that believe in him are saved and will have everlasting life. So we will need to reduce the death toll a bit. But yes in the gospels he the nice loving son of god say that those that don’t believe need to be killed. But all and all he a really nice guy !
this organization use god's name.
when puting god's name they accepted some things.
to complete the preaching work.
Since the entire premise is wrong all I can say is No. No where in the Bible is there any proof of a deity or son of a deity coming invisibly in any year let alone 1914, what’s the point of that. Gods son sneaking around, the Bible says all eyes would see him.
Nothing the JWs have said or preached makes any sense when compared to the Bible. The only thing that they could be identified with in the Bible is false prophets.
many have said that jesus never shunned anyone.
yet it seems that the apostle paul said to shun an unrepentant sinner, "stop keeping company" and "not even eating with such a man" 1co 5:9-12. it seems like shunning is what paul wanted us to do.
but honestly, it doesn't seem right to me.
Yes that my biggest pet peeve. Even if one is shunned because he’s doing something very wrong in the congregation and then was kicked out, no where does it say that if this one stops and is repentant he is to be still shunned for another year or two until the elders decided to stop it.
Something else to consider and maybe inwrong on this but I believe that 2 Corinthians was written as a type of apology for the things written in 1 Corinthians. So Paul had a change of heart.
hey forum goers.
i'd like your opinions on constructing an email reply to this shocker below.
bit of background about the sender: she is a middle-aged, cheery uberdub whose siblings left when a schism occured in her congregation in canada way back when.
Send her the paragraph that pale put in his post and follow it with proverbs chapter 4. JW s cherry pick and only use verse 18 then twists its meaning but the whole chapter is about wisdom and once you gain it it’s like the light of understanding. This chapter shows that it’s ok to gain wisdom unlike what WT says.
i've noticed in the past 10 years that the social support that used to be available in the congs, a shoulder to cry on, elders to help with family/marriage issues these seem to have been purposely withdrawn.
counsel is even heard from the platform that the elders are not there to help people with their problems.. so first in the 80s-90s they take away the congregation get to getters and social events and now they seem to be going one step further in taking away the emotional support for people too.. this will take away an aspect that i'm sure was keeping alot of people in the borg, the community support.
if that's not there and its just about meetings and ministry how many will start to get their emotional support elsewhere?.
This religion had always been about getting people to push their products and propaganda never about people helping people. When they do do something for someone it’s becasue that congregation is different.
i was asked last sunday, after a meeting that i attended with my wife, by a good friend if i believed that these were indeed the "last days".
what prompted his question was the public talk given by a young man that i have known since he was 7 years old and is now an elder at 30.. the talk made mention several times that we are 'definitely' living in the "last days".
i assume that the expression "last days" was prominent in the outline.. i hope that he way i answered my friend's question jump started his thinking.
I’m sure that’s the next excuse they’ll use “we said were in the last days and we know that a day can be several thousand years in Jehovah’s mind so we weren’t lying “ “now give us more money!”
i know we have all said it before, but it simply blows my mind that the jws doing cart work do not have bibles on the cart to give out to interested ones!.
how can they say they are "bible students" trying to share the "bibles message" and not give out bibles!?.
other christian groups take the commission to share the bible seriously!
One excuse they use is a few years ago they noticed that people were requesting the Bible and then taking the pages out to use as cigarette paper when rolling up thier tobacco. But in a reality it’s about the money.
