1) ANYTHING IN THE SHAPE OF............( MONEY.) REAL ESTATE / INVESTING IN GOVT CONTRACTS AS IN ENGINES FOR THE MILITARY /INVESTMENT COMPANYS / DONATIONS.FROM SIX COLLECTION BOXES.IN MOST HALLS.
2) THE CONGREGATIONS WORSHIP, ( ELDERS )
3) THE ELDERS ABUSE THE CONGREGATION (YOU )
WHY & HOW , BY SERVING YOU MISINFORMATION ON CRITICAL DATES.
ITS A PERFECT ORGANIZATION RUN BY IMPERFECT MEN , ( IS THE SAYING )
HENCE THE WAY THEY ALL ACCEPT FALSE REASONINGS WRONG DATES.AND SCRIPTURAL LIES
BUT JEHOVAH CANT & DOESNOT MAKE MISTAKES, REASON THIS OUT FOR YOURSELF.
WOULD GOD LIE DOES JEHOVAH EVER MAKE MISTAKES ,( DONT THINK SO )
let me say first i am not telling this for sympothy in any way, my growing up is a lot better then a lot of kids,the horror some of these defenseless babys and children have, the death penalty is to good.the reason i call these threads ..my secrets, is something you dont talk about outside those walls as i am sure other's on this sight can relate to.i am telling my story so many of you can understand why i am trying so hard and long to get my husband out of this sick cult.he is all i have known since i was fifteen.some of you have asked if my parents were jws?
no catholics,some asked why the neighbors did nothing ,no one wanted to get their nose dirty i guess and two neighbors were cops.before i start more of my life ,please when i wright a thread about what ever ...please dont tell me i need to talk to someone or i am feeling this way because of my child hood.if any thing it has made me a strong person in many ways.i as many in simular situations are good at blocking things out and becoming callus to situations.i promised not do drag this on and here i go .all right i will shut up and get on with it.growing up i learned there are, mean drunks, nice drunks, quiet drunks,etc.lucky me mom was a mean drunk.when she did get out of her bed , for her alcohlic delivery,my sister and i would run upstairs to our room and push our beds against the door .i can't say some of the things she had done to me ,it is to hard.notice i said things done to me , i always felt my mother hated me , she always treated me cruel,punishing me for no reason or just letting me know i was worthless.finally during one of her trips out of her room to get the wonder juice delivery, she stopped to tell me how i ruined her life by becoming pregnant with me,i guess the story goes my mother was going to leave my father and one night he raped her and became pregnant with me .oh ya it was my idea to just jump in her womb.any way thats just some .more tid bits of home.living with my syco sister didnt last to long ,my other sister now almost eighteen was married and had a baby, me i was fifteen and pregnant waiting for my sixteenth b-day( pagan) to get married.well got married things were rough but alright till a cult member started to talk to my husband at work, well he told me we got sucked in , after a year or two i felt something was wrong with this so i left it but my husband was trapped.to me i have a much stronger mentality were as my husband who says he had a good childhood is very weak and gullible.next had four great kids (my life) and a husband whose life is work, the hall, and himself.now i am fortyfive all kids grown and gone but one ,he's ninteen.i am always in contact with my next oldest sister,but not with my oldest.
my brother i see a few times a year , and mother, she was constantly put in nut houses and would get out and go soeone would put her back in .
you all are so special, i just finished reading the thread i posted the other day and again you all made me cry(probably girl thing) not in a bad way but in a happy way,sometimes i think i found you guys just in time.so because of your caring i would like to share my life story,no i won,t drag it on.i was raised in a home with two sisters and a brother,i was the youngest ,i am three years younger then one sister ,ten years between my other sister and twelve years younger then my brother.father was a beater,belts,boards but his favorite was his fists,i went to school with plenty of black eyes and lying were they came from.my older sister and brother were married and out of the house and very seldom visited.as kids my brother and sister were beat also so there was alot of tenson when they did visit.so with my one sister and me we take the beatings for them and hide in our rooms hoping we didn,t do any thing to irritate our parents.my mother , i swear she would blow things out of perportion just to see us get beat , i think because she was beat so offen by my dad , i would hear them in my room at night or in the day , the shit would start to fly and we just hid.my parents were both drinkers but usually it was moderate until i was about ten years old and my sister was twelve, the drinking became out of control especially for my mom,fights got more intense till it was like living in a war zone.it got to the point that my mother never left her bedroom and was drunk twentyfour hrs.
a day, not even coming out to eat.my dad ,sister and me would do the shopping and cleaning and cooking.life was ,well for my sister and me was becoming normal .then one day coming home from school ,i see the police, my older sister and brother are there..odd, they are all crying and inform me dad killed himself and they just took his body.
well , we have funeral moms drunk at , and all of a sudden everyone is gone to their own lives while my sister and me are stealing food to live.
i guess you can now look back to the past,the misery,pain and suffering,but now that your are grown you will and hopefuly make decisions which will better you and yours,many on this board have been through some terrible experiencess as children,what gets me is that other neighbours must have seen your predicument yet they seemed to ignore your pain sorrow beatings,while many turn a blind eye to children in need,i myself dont and cant understand why these things go on,yes you can lay bare your ghosts,or the things haunting you,your experience will undoutably help others whom may still be going through such dreadfull circumstances,we all welcome you to the board ,one question were you brought up as a jehovahs witness,
you all are so special, i just finished reading the thread i posted the other day and again you all made me cry(probably girl thing) not in a bad way but in a happy way,sometimes i think i found you guys just in time.so because of your caring i would like to share my life story,no i won,t drag it on.i was raised in a home with two sisters and a brother,i was the youngest ,i am three years younger then one sister ,ten years between my other sister and twelve years younger then my brother.father was a beater,belts,boards but his favorite was his fists,i went to school with plenty of black eyes and lying were they came from.my older sister and brother were married and out of the house and very seldom visited.as kids my brother and sister were beat also so there was alot of tenson when they did visit.so with my one sister and me we take the beatings for them and hide in our rooms hoping we didn,t do any thing to irritate our parents.my mother , i swear she would blow things out of perportion just to see us get beat , i think because she was beat so offen by my dad , i would hear them in my room at night or in the day , the shit would start to fly and we just hid.my parents were both drinkers but usually it was moderate until i was about ten years old and my sister was twelve, the drinking became out of control especially for my mom,fights got more intense till it was like living in a war zone.it got to the point that my mother never left her bedroom and was drunk twentyfour hrs.
a day, not even coming out to eat.my dad ,sister and me would do the shopping and cleaning and cooking.life was ,well for my sister and me was becoming normal .then one day coming home from school ,i see the police, my older sister and brother are there..odd, they are all crying and inform me dad killed himself and they just took his body.
well , we have funeral moms drunk at , and all of a sudden everyone is gone to their own lives while my sister and me are stealing food to live.
You are straight to the point, your sense of bravery must have hit them right between the legs,by the way have read a lot of your postings ,keep the good work up (great fun )
if htere were anything i ever wanted it was to be like all the other kids i saw in my life...free to accept gifts, love and unconditional reasoning from adults...even as an adult this is all i rarely ask for...where is your family when it would be nice to have them?
Don't be sad... My jw family have more or less made a decision not to contact me. (in the last two weeks) Yes it hurts like hell, but I know that I will get over it (some day) and my anger is focused at the WTS.
I cried myself to sleep the other night, because I miss my mam and sister (whoops nearly crying here), but I am certain more than ever that NO MAN will ever rule my life like the jws tried too... and if my family want to 'disown' me, well that is up to them.. I have a lovely family here with my husband and children, and I am loved and needed where it matters the most.
Plus, remember, we all have some great friends (new family) here on the web, so sod the witnesses, and start anew - It is Spring time... time for a good old mental clear out, and time to look ahead.. so keep going Valis, because you always have such good advice for everyone... well we are here for you now, and always!
Your very good friends here in sunny downtown London (yes it has been sunny here for a little while anyway) LOL
mr and mrs nightwarrior (((((((((((((((((((((((((valis)))))))))))))))))))))
1) jehovah is a spirit creature , you agree with this ,ok.. now let us move on , also we have been shown throughout the scriptures that jehovah god is seen as a bright light,no man has ever seen him they have only been able to see or feel his radiance,men have felt his glory,men have felt his presence,even mosess wasnot able to withstand the eminence radiating from god,.
when we look to the collection of various animals on the earth, take africa for instance,hundreds of different species,roaming around the planet earth all in specific herds ,lions monkeys, birds,zebra etc etc is this seen as a zooalogical collection placed on the planet by a supreme being.. .
look to the larger picture, what are your thoughts are humans also a part of this great collection,if man is a part of this collection ,what planet was he abducted from ,and whom done the abduction????????????????.
Well i did say it was a funny five minutes thanks for your thoughts people,
Kat is that an alien in front or behind you ,as most aliens do suddenly appear without there clothes on,say somewhere in the woods ,then they sort of find someomne to take there clothes of but guess not in your case ,or are you an alien looking for a victim ,?////told you itwas a funny five minute thing, thanks for your input so far people.
lets go on a trip into the biblical past, correct me for getting this wrong but,certain areas city gates were designated for the scholars.
learned men ,covering all aspects of city life and dominated by free religiouse speech,the gathering together of spiritual men discusing all and every spiritual possibility ,were open up for every conceivable argument and permeation covering jesus christ,and all other gods,nothing was left out,questions were asked and answerd,by learned scholars and ordinary men,.
I am somewhat surprised with your attacking attitude,
yet somewhat bemused by your lack of intolerance concerning freedom of thought,a question i would have you answer eric,were you ever bounced upon your head as a baby ?????or even droped at any time ,say on your head, do you feel that you may need to go to anger managment,no ,i dont take your reply as an insult ,but i have taken the solemn vow to forgive you and your shity attitude, ERIC ,i forgive you,now lets get realistic ,maybee it will take myself a while to get where you are at the moment, but i wouldnot like to condem you just because you dont have faith in a greater entity, or creator, your life must be so sad and empty ,but maybee through your experiencess in life which has left you very bitter,as regards your posting,you know Eric the one thing no one can give you is FAITH ,but experiences can sure take it away from you,to cut this short ,you dont accept that there is a creator,ok,thats fine but when you die, you will know one way or another .i dont harbour any resentment towards you but i bet your dying slowly within yourself ,WHY ARE YOU HERE ??/ on the earth i mean,what are you promoting to make this place a better place to live in , ????? you arshole.
