In the words of the late Benny Hill:
"I don't believe in sex before marriage. I'm not so sure about after marriage either"
how many witness couples percentage wise do you think slip up and have sex before wedding day?
did you?.
In the words of the late Benny Hill:
"I don't believe in sex before marriage. I'm not so sure about after marriage either"
..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
I think Botchtowersociety makes an interesting point: "We may be projecting something about ourselves onto animals here. We tend to create a distinction between human and animal suffering. I doubt many of us here refuse to partake of animal-based foods (although I'm sure a small minority does), or refuse to accept medical therapies if they were first tested on animals. However, I also doubt there are any cannibals on this board, or those who would approve of the medical experiments of Dr. Mengele."
sure, the monkees were a pre-fabricated band, but their influence was still immeasurable.
especially mike nesmith.. .
rip davy.... .
I used to watch the show (in fact, I watched a couple episodes just two weeks ago) and I owned several of their albums. I like many of their songs. I was always sympathetic to them as a band pulled together as an American response to the success of The Beatles, and the fact that they did not have musical control until well into their existence as a group.
Luckily, they toured and I did see Davy about 12-15 years ago in concert. Viewing their tour videos on YouTube, it is apparent that they had a good degree of talent and versatility, which vindicates their desire for control of their material and recording.
paragraph 15: "he vowed that if god gave ammon into jephthah's hand, the first one to come out of the door when he returned home would be jehovah's.
as jephthah returned home from subduing ammon, his daughter came running to meet him.
(judg.
No one in Israel could put even a rebellious child to death without approval of the elders (Deut 21:21). Though Jepthah did indeed defeat the Amorites, that did not place him above the Law.
The weeping over virginity could well have been due to the fact that Jepthah's family line would cease, since his daughter was his only child.
There are commentators who do argue that Jepthah's daughter was indeed killed, so the idea can have some traction when reading the Bible. The very fact that the question comes up shows that it's not easily determined either way. Indeed, commentators also argue against death in this case and instead for consecration at the Tabernacle. Personally, after looking at both sides, I lean toward the latter. I'm not going to rail against anyone who wants to argue otherwise, nor make put-down remarks such as "Jesus, do you guys read much?".
paragraph 15: "he vowed that if god gave ammon into jephthah's hand, the first one to come out of the door when he returned home would be jehovah's.
as jephthah returned home from subduing ammon, his daughter came running to meet him.
(judg.
@ James Woods - No Room For George's question, above, helps to determine the answer - Hannah also spoke of offering Samuel ("I will give him to the Lord all the days of his life"), and we know it was not a human sacrifice she was referring to.
As mentioned earlier, the mention of his daughter's virginity is likely pointless unless the idea that she would live as a virgin perpetually is being conveyed. The idea doesn't seem to be 'I'm going to die, but I have never had sex and never will'. The two just don't jibe.
It's extremely unlikely that any attempt to offer a human as an actual burnt sacrifice would have been tolerated in Israel at this time. It's highly doubtful that Jepthah could have pulled it off.
paragraph 15: "he vowed that if god gave ammon into jephthah's hand, the first one to come out of the door when he returned home would be jehovah's.
as jephthah returned home from subduing ammon, his daughter came running to meet him.
(judg.
It was not a human sacrifice. Jepthah would have exercised the option of redeeming his daughter by means of a lamb as an offering instead.
The girl weeped over her virginity, which would be perpetual due to her temple service. She wasn't weeping over her untimely death.
there have been a couple of threads about this issue.
if this has been covered, then i am sorry, but:.
the article warns against looking back with fondness for the "good old days" don't they always do that with the "critical times we live in?
Wha happened? great point on the "purple publisher"; and let's not forget the Williams sisters, raking in millions while other jws "decided" not to pursue a career in sports.
this thread could be a saver!.
Some interesting comments...
Being an elder was no picnic, but one good thing I took away was an appreciation for strict confidentiality (though confidentiality was often disregarded by other elders, and I was dismayed to learn how often things ended up becoming publicly known). The upside of this is that now I have several friends who know they can trust me, and as a result, will talk to me about some matters close to their hearts.
Now don't get me wrong - anyone can learn to keep things confidential. Being a jw elder does not necessarily mean that I wouldn't have been a good confidante anyway. But after hearing some pretty crazy stuff and keeping it to myself to this day, it reinforced the inclination I already had to keep things private on behalf of others.
greetings to all this is my new thread dedicated to that most entertaining of decades the 1980s!.
what i propose is to post youtube links to a favourite song and give a brief description and maybe why i liked it.. please feel free to comment and add your own video clips.. i missed out on all the glam of the 80s rock videos as it was considered too worldly to watch for a good jw teenager.. all genres are good but my particular favourite style was the new romantiscism artists.. to start this thread off the first video was made in 1979 ( blown it already i hear you say)no this song set the theme of what was to come in the next decade.. "video killed the radio star"- the buggles 1979. .
first video screened on us mtv.
I liked the 60s and 70s much better. In retrospect though, the 80s have started to appeal to me. Sometimes a decade needs to 'ripen' over time before I can really judge it.
after seeing most of the season unfold, i am going to make my prediction who will be in the super bowl this year.
after seeing the play of most teams i am ready to go out on a limb.. here is the official prediction:.
the super bowl will have the green bay packers vs. the baltimore ravens.
My pre-season pick was Green Bay beating New England. I might as well stick with it, though I have doubts about the Pats due to their defense, which is not a playoff-caliber unit. Aaron Discount Double-Check Rodgers would have a field day should these two teams meet (Rodgers has a field day against just about anybody these days) and I think we'd see a score of something like 45-28, and that's a conservative estimate.
The AFC is more wide-open, in my view, than the NFC. Green Bay looks like a lock barring a Rodgers injury. The Saints could challenge, but the 49ers cannot hang with the Packers. In bad weather, the Niners could turn the game into a grind and possibly get close to upsetting the Packers, but I'm still not picking them.
The Ravens are in some ways a more logical pick in the AFC, and so are the Steelers, than going with the Pats. The Jets, in bad weather, can make a run - they are geared toward winning games in January. But if the Jets, who have played 6 straight playoff games on the road, have to take to the road again, it won't be easy.