Posts by rocketman

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WT Society Changes Definitions of Words to Control JW's for Their Agenda

by flipper in

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friends

my wife and i were discussing this and thought of a few examples of words that the wt society changes meanings on in order to accomplish their own self serving agenda .

the term - generation - definition in webster's new world dictionary : " generation - a single stage or degree in the succession of natural descent ( father, son, and grandson are three generations ) .

the average period ( about thirty years ) between the birth of one generation and that of the next .

rocketman

In all fairness, the term "generation" is not limited to a 30-year or so time frame as it is used in the Bible. Various Bible dictionaries supply several definitions depending on the context:

topicalbible.org/g/generation.htm

The link won't copy on my computer.

Interestingly, the word can also include the thought of "race" or "class", and some Bible commentators apply the use of "this generation" at Matthew 24:34 to the Jews, in effect saying that the Jewish race would remain "until all these things occur".

Again, I am frustrated in my attempts to provide a link.

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Signs - Jesus - Has the Scripture Been Misread ?

by *lost* in

meletivivlon.com - interesting and enlightening theory on jesus and the signs.. wars, earthquakes, food shortages.. what if jesus meant the very opposite ?

jesus said - look out that nobody misleads you.

( jesus warning us as a safegaurd for us not to be mislead about exactly when the time would come ) .

rocketman

Alan F suggested as much in an essay some years ago, namely, that the events of Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 were going to happen anyway, and that Jesus was using them to convey the idea that those occurances should not cause one to follow false Messiahs.

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BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.....let's rebuild!

by Terry in

okay we've all beat our chest, lamented and throttled the dead horse of aawa.. time to move on!.

i suggest those of us on j-w.n who care about creating something the right way take the trouble to get the framework going.. let's do the grunt work and get the nattering, debates, naming and organizing already pre-approved so that "others" who have the talent, ability, motivation and resources can move in and turn the key!.

because it was not done before.. there is more wisdom on this discussion board in our vast numbers than there could possibly be in a virtual boardroom with 8 people brain-storming.. that isn't an insult--it is just a statistical fact!.

rocketman

I wouldn't opt to put TTATT on a T-Shirt. It looks too much like TATAS, which is already the ill-advised (to me anyway) slang for breasts, as in Save The TATAS.

I've always thought that TTATT was a confusing acroymn, T-Shirt or no.

TTATT is a complete non-starter.

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All Things Fulffilled In The1st Century

by maccauk11 in

all things were fulfilled in the 1st century.it was obvious the messiah was talking to the people in that generation not a generation 2000 years later.. christianity has for 2000 years placed itself in the shoes of those 1st century beleivers and think all things pertainott hem today.when infact none of it does.

the prohecise of the messiah cmae true in the 1st century including revelation which is symbolic, metaphorical apocolyptic language showing all tha thad been done .

the kingdom is here.the king rules and has done for 2000 years.

rocketman

Spellcheck.

And please don't tell us that your English isn't very good.

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What did I miss? New twist on a very old song, SHUNNING?

by freeflyingfaerie in

is there new info coming out in june watchtower about how to treat families?.

rocketman

Well, it's a good thing that Robert didn't die during those 16 years; his family may have never known.

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July 15th Study Edition Is Up..

by confusedteenager in

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friends

not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.

they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.

of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .

rocketman

Excellent illustration about food sd-7.

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Who would you date?

by MsD in

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friends

i was just wondering i have a friend who is getting divorced.

she is 32yrs old and has 4 children ranging from 10 yrs old to 18 mths old and i wonder if she can ever really date again?

she's a really pretty woman but still i wonder.

rocketman

A woman I know, who is several years older than your friend at age 32 (I'm guessing early 40s) is divorcing and she has four kids. It's tough. There's a lot of appealing things about this woman, but four kids is a tall order. I'd date her casually, but I'm not sure I'd want an instant big family, so I don't think I'd want to get serious - which means, by my standards, no I wouldn't date her. If there's no prospect of an LTR, I'm not going to date a woman just to break up with her eventually.

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July 15th Study Edition Is Up..

by confusedteenager in

jw
friends

not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.

they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.

of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .

rocketman

Actually, this might set the table for eventually moving the "generation" of Matthew 24:34 to a time yet future.

If the events of Matthew 24:29-51 are yet future, then why not the generation, which is included in those verses? Indeed, this would harken back to the "Sputnik" understanding that was documented by Raymond Franz, which was an interpretation espoused by three members (not including Franz) of the Governing Body while Franz was on the body.

I'm not saying they'll back-date it to Sputnik (1957), but that the basic premise is similar - the Sputnik idea came from the notion that Matthew 24:29-51. The concept of the "generation" verse being among those in a 'third part' of Matthew 24 (as well as Mark 13 and Luke 21) was what precipitated the Sputnik idea.

So I'm wondering if their understanding of the "generation" of Matthew 24:34 will be changed the generation, whether of the anointed or just of mankind in general, that will be alive and witness the future events postulated in this article.

Of course, with their new 'overlapping' generation understanding, they have already created an "out" to some extent. Hence they may not really need to update their "generation" understanding.

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July 15th Study Edition Is Up..

by confusedteenager in

jw
friends

not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.

they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.

of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .

rocketman

After reading the four study articles, plus the blurb on the new GB member (who, by the way, was baptised after many of the 'Other Sheep' were and is younger than many of them). it's my thinking that this series will end up having an effect similar to the November 1995 series of study articles about the "generation" of Matthew 24:34.

This could be a 'last straw' article, much like that one was for a lot of JWs. The implications of these articles are staggering - that, once again, this religion can simply change long-held teachings whenever they deem necessary.

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Will AAWA Become another cult?

by His Excellency in

please sorry for english, i have only been learning for 18 months.

everyone please think about it, and beware of any initiative designed to solve "a community problem".

becasue russel also started his own cult on a similar premise like this , claiming to have all the answers to issues whose solutions seems obscured to the majority in his days, and here we are today, constantly bashing our fingers on the keyboard in a bid to finding comfort from the mess he had put all of us into.

rocketman

Hi Excellency, what's with 'pardon my English' stuff? Your English seems adequate.

I tend to be wary of people who use the 'excuse my English' line, because sooner or later it becomes an excuse.

As for AAWA, I personally am treading very lightly, but I don't get too excited about much of anything these days. I do think it's a noble endeavor. Could it become cultish? Well, that seems like a stretch, but I guess it could.

On Cedars' initial thread I did point out the irony of starting a group that has, as one of its main objectives, is the freeing of people from bondage to false religion. Yes, that does sound familiar, doesn't it?

But for now, I meant it only as a bit of comic relief. Only time will tell, and I say let the AAWA have at it.