My 1st grandchild finally arrived yesterday, the 27th! 6lbs 4oz. She's the 1st child in our family born outside "the truth" in 67 yrs. And she's cute if i say so myself! I also had the priviledge of seeing her born. I've seen some pretty amazing things, but I don't think anything will ever top this!
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It's a Girl!
by moreisbetter inmy 1st grandchild finally arrived yesterday, the 27th!
she's the 1st child in our family born outside "the truth" in 67 yrs.
and she's cute if i say so myself!
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JW Catch Phrases
by pr_capone inwhat are some of your favorite jw catch phrases?.
"food at the proper time".
"spiritualy weak".
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"It must not be Jehavah's will" or the more popular, "you must not be doing Jehovah's will".
Their standard response when your prayers weren't answered.
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Do the loving elders hate you?
by JH indo you have the impression that the elders never liked you, and were happy to see you leave, because they simply didn't like your way of thinking?
maybe if you came back, they would do everything to get you disfellowshipped again.
edited by - jh on 26 december 2002 19:28:50.
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I never felt hatred. Contempt; yes, hatred, no. My 2nd generation JW parents were chronically weak in the spiritual sense. I felt like I was always guilty by their association. All of my parents close friends were servants in some capacity or married to one. One of those close friends was a circuit overseer. He was a brother that had seriously dated my mother for some time just prior to my father. Upon meeting my grown sister for the first time, he said to her "Hi, I'm ***. I should be your father". Thats not right!<P>Anyway, growing up, I felt some love by these people, even though they were always telling me I should be responsible & go out in field service on my own. I should tell my parents they should go too. I was a little kid! You didn't tell my parents NOTHIN! or at best, get the cold shoulder for weeks; at worst, got the S***t beat out of you for something.But when I started to date then a few months later married one of their golden "protgs" at 16,I suddenly felt like I was trash. At 23, my new hubby was a MS, pioneer, veteran & regular at public talks, both at our hall & a visiting speaker. He was also a regular participant at assemblies & conventions.I got the prize, but he got the trash. The JW trash that is. Every hardship he encountered after that was my fault. He was disfellowshipped and it was my fault. Years before he even had a very brief, non-fornicating "marital indiscretion" right after our 3rd child was born right before his elder appointment, but that was my fault too. We had 4 children & chose to move to a larger house in another congregation in a better neighborhood & that was my fault. When he was disfellowshipped rather than appointed an elder in that new congregation, it was my fault (it was based on lies from an elder business partner). During the time he was DF and struggling to make a living for his family, I struggled to get his 4 kids to all the meetings. 2 of which were in their early teens and needed the spiritual assistance of the elders and congregation in order that their spiritual growth continued in spite of the tragedy that had occurred. Did they get It? Well, sort of Bible/book studies, yes. Spiritual comfort; encouragement, NO!!! They were offered and accepted bible studies from an elder's children slightly older than they were, who are now DF'd themselves.Did I feel contempt by the elders? Yes, I don't know what else to call it. Just one example of contempt I felt from loving friends": Our book study overseer at that time was on their father's JC; he refused to give us a KM because none of us was a regular publisher. That was the 1st time in my life I never had KM; My family & I were spiritually needing help & accepting of that help but was denied a lousy KM!(it was highly recommended that I borrow and make copy even though the local mail boxes ect refused to allow JWs to copy JW literature). The elders did not call me to see how things were. AND what about all the MS's, elders, and other overseers and other friends of my ex's in 1/2 dozen other congregations around the city where my ex had friends; acquaintances? Did they call to see how we were? me? our children? NO! NADA! NEVER! After he was reinstated? Only 2 close ones friends came by to see him; express their "forgiveness" of his sin. Even today, 10 years after his reinstatement, I'm still blamed for his complete, current<P>When I committed adultery less than 2 yrs later? almost 90% came out of the woodwork to express their condolences to him (even though he was inactive & barely communicated with them). HIs best friend, an elder (who was the 1st to turn his back on him before the DF) said "forget her; divorce her; don't look back" That person was supposed to be my friend too. But I knew then that I had none. AND would never have those that I THOUGHT I had before. Even though the Watchtowers at the time preached taking a strayed mate back even in the face of adultery if love and acceptance existed, which in our case did."Do the loving elders hate you?" In my case, yes, I think they do because I believe hatred equals contempt. Do I feel like they are happy, relieved or don't care that I'm gone? OH HELL, YES TO ALL!! The elders, either in my "home" congregation or the ones my family was most acquainted with, DID NOT check on me during bad times not to mention good ones. They did not come by (or even tried to find out where in the hell "by was, as in where do I live") to find out if i had repented or stopped sleeping with someone other than my ex. No one has asked about me or called on me or tried to find out WHERE THE HELL I AM! Why? I don't know, my only conclusion is that they saw that i was trash that brought down their beloved son, so therefore they cared very little. I didn't do anything to any of them. I guess they didn't need a DA or DF quota to make, so they left me alone. It was best for their reputation & less publicity that they just let me be. Compared to many stories on this board, I'm fortunate. I haven't been subjected to the degradation that many have survived. ;The phrase "Loving elders"? Is that the ultimate JW oxymoron. I'm sorry if I kind of got off on a rant. The subject gets to me & my current coping strategy takes over. ;
(edited to say I tried to clean this post up & make it readable but failed - my appoligies)
Edited by - moreisbetter on 27 December 2002 4:16:51
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MY Best Birthday EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Jesika inwell, this will be the best birthday i have ever had.
i had lunch with my mom and she has never had sushi before and she loved it.
it was sooooooo funny watching her try to use chopsticks....... to no avail--lol.
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Happy birthday!
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Texas Apostates...Roll Call & New Map!
by Valis ingreetings all texas apostates...i have been guided by the holy spirit (tm) to compile a map locating us in the veritable hotbed of apostacy that texas is...if you would like to be on the map let me know and i'll add you as you request.
we can't very well let ballistic and our uk counterparts/blokes/blokettes have all the fun now can we?
we can also squeeze in our brothers and sisters from neighboring staes as well.. .
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Dear Bro. Dist. OB,
Please excuse this humble sister for questioning, but is this territory map smack dab in Dallas or mid DFW? I humbly submit to your HS guidance & experience. Please let this humble sister know what spritual food is needed.
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Merry Christmas, Especially You Moms
by DakotaRed ini received this in email and thought of all the moms working their tails off every year.. twas the night before christmas.......mom style that is .
twas the night before christmas, when all thru the abode .
only one creature was stirring, & she was cleaning the commode.
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Thank you very much for this! I can't go back in time and give my children the christmas i would like for them to have had or the one i wished i had. i can only go forward living life according to my conscience; and let them know that they can choose what life they want for themselves and not according to anyone else's directives. I will love them no matter what they choose.
Merry Christmas my wonderful son and daughters!
Merry Christmas to the wonderful people I've met on this board!!!!
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Do you say "Merry Christmas"?
by moreisbetter inif you participate in the christmas holiday, "merry christmas" is a traditonal greeting as well as a response to the same.
as a former jw, do you feel strange if you say the words "merry christmas"?
i said "merry christmas" tonight in response after making a purchase.
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If you participate in the Christmas holiday, "Merry Christmas" is a traditonal greeting as well as a response to the same. As a former JW, do you feel strange if you say the words "Merry Christmas"? DO you say them?
I said "Merry Christmas" tonight in response after making a purchase. I said Just that: "Merry Christmas!" NOT: "and You too!" or "and Same to You" or "Happy Holidays!" or the ever appropriate "thank you", in response. I said very clearly "Merry Christmas" I have faded for 8 yrs; given gifts, attended parties, celebrated Yule, & so on. But I never said "Merry Christmas" untill now. I didn't realize I wasn't saying it.
Now, in the scheme of things, saying "Merry Christmas" is minor issue, or trivial to many. It's not really a big issue to me. I don't think about it or fret over it every year. But the prohibition of saying a single phrase & fear that your faith would be questioned, in addition to severe consequences was still in my sub-conscious. It was a tiny, little block in my progress. Now that I've gotten over the hump, I'll say it to as many people as I can before Wed. Why, next year I'll probably spell it out in lights on my front porch!
However, it is one of those little things that seems like everyday life to a non JW. But to a JW or recovering JW, IMO, it's one of those links or part of a composite link in the repressive chain of JW slavery. Breaking them one by one is, I suppose, all part of the bizzare process of de-programming.
Everyone, please have a safe and MERRY CHRISTMAS!! yyyyiiiiiiippppppppeeeeee
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overcome by emotion as a parent.......
by scootergirl inthis afternoon i was sitting in my kitchen watching my three year old son playing.
he was humming to himself while playing w/trucks.
i watched his little hands as they moved the toys around, i listened to his sweet little voice.
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OH Boy!!! I've been sitting here for quite in tears! There are so many shared, joyful memories of all of our wonderous children, grandchildren and, nieces & nephews. Their lives and potential have no bounderies without the repressive chains of the JWs.
Our youngest daughter, 16, told me Mon. of her "latest" college degree plan. Her "latest?". She must be on #10! "lol!" I'm still amazed that that she is thinking about all of this because, well, it's still a little strange to hear anyone in my family having college plans. She was born in '86; it was still a couple years before it was "acceptable in JWland" to attend a 2 or 4ry college. She has never been told that going to college was a sin, or at best inappropriate, unlike her older sisters & brother. I'm very proud and so very happy she has these goals!
Our oldest daughter will deliver her daughter any day now. I remember when I brought J** home 24 yrs ago in a long little white dress with tiny pink rosebuds on it a little bonnet to match. She had her 1st baby pictures taken in it. She was beautiful & still is. Later, she had a little doll with a body that matched that dress print. Her 2 little sisters wore the same dress, they are beauties too! I still love that dress (where is it?) Well, to make a short story longer, I had to go the mall tonight, as I was trying to get out of the department store to go back into the mall, I had to pass the baby dept. And Yes! Of course, I stopped! haha. I looked at all the newborn Christmas outfits wondered if I should buy one; would she be here before Wed? hehehe! But as I was about to go on my way, I saw it them. Soft, cotton, white outfits with tiny little pink flowers on them. Almost identical to the dress print 24 yrs ago. The store had all the baby clothing variations in that print, even a bib & bath towel. After 10 mins. of trying to choose, Grandmom bought the long little dress with tiny flowers on it & the little bonnet to match. May the spoiling begin! hahahahahBabies, Children, Kids! Gotta luv 'em! Merry Christmas and HAPPY New Year to everyone! Go hug a kid!
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I graduated from college today
by ChrisVance in.
at the age of 53 i graduated from arizona state university with a bachelor's in spanish.
when everyone stood for the national athem i felt a little guilty at first, but i soon got over it!
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A very big CONGRATULATIONS!!!!. Also, standing for the National Anthem gets easier (lol)!. You truly are an inspiration to me and many others. In fact, if its not to personal, I would like to hear your story. When did you start, did you go full time, part time? Things like that. I tried last year at 42, but withdrew. You can email if you wish.
Cheers to you!
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My little heartbreaker
by Princess insome friends sent me this picture of my daughter.
it was taken at a birthday party where they hired a makeup artist to make up the four year old girls.
this is her "after" shot.
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What a beautiful little girl! With that gorgeous smile & hair, she's going to break a lot of hearts.