Posts by Patrick45

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"Growing to perfection"

by DS211 in

ok i know ive been starting threads like a maniac but heres one.

where in the heck d they get the "when we survive armageddon we will probably have to start rebuilding while we resurrect ones, teach them, plant food, clean the planet, and grow to perfection"????

doesnt the scripture say that we die corrupted but raised an incorruptible body?

Patrick45

There is this remarcable image of being left behind when Christ returns. And those left behind are not saved in any way.

Now consider the final verses of Rev CH21. Isn't it said that even throughout the Millenium, the doors of New Jerusalem will stay wide open? Rev 22:14 and 15 shows that you have to get there to gain access to the tree of life. Outside of NJ is nothing good to be found (V15) WAKE UP ITS IMPORTANT!

Now consider what the return of Satan to this world will do. It says that he will go out to gather GOG AND MAGOG. Yes that´s what the JW Bible says too. So those who the WT pretends have atteined human perfection are called Gog and Magog here. Astounding, no?

Now it becomes utterly (horribly) clear, that JW teach a false gospel. You have to be born again to see the kingdom of God. There is no way around this. Without access to the trees of life, one will be out of the boundaries of the "promised land". We have to be adopted out of the children of Adam to become spirit-begotten children of God. Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God (or incorruptibility as DS correctly pointed out!)

JW s need help, they need it so direly. Those who believe they see, albeit being blind, are in a very bad position.

God bless

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TOUCHED BY AN APOSTATE, ONE YEAR AFTER EATING THE RED PILL.

by AuntConnie in

touched by an apostate.

i cant decide if i want to curse or hug and kiss all the friends on jwn for giving me a bite of the red pill and allowing me the clarity i never had growing up.

we were raised one hundred-percent cult and our family obeyed all the rules that we could, some rules from the cult my mother refused to obey for a greater-good, like humanity, helping disfellowshiped ex-jws who were poor or depressed, she did not follow the cult's code of treating weak or mentally ill people like shit.

Patrick45

Connie,

Your post contains so much energy and frustration, that I can only wish from the bottom of my heart that God realy has this plan for you. You realy went through hell. You are allowed to be free now. It will take lots of time to get over to a normal, or close to normal state. But please keep trying. God bless you (finally).

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So the people with the REAL truth are apostates!

by ILoveTTATT in

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friends

i have been on this site for around two months.

in those two months, i have learnt a ridiculous amount of jw history and i now have insight on how humongous of a scam the jw's are.

at first, maybe even a year ago, i would have thought, yeah... the apostates have half-truths and they utilize some truths and then lie about the rest.. well, for the benefit of all the lurkers in here: trust the apostates!

Patrick45

Its not about truth for the NY gang. Its about control. Authority. Even if you would hold all the teachings they do and just found a JWbis org. You would still be an apostate to them. truth does not matter.

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If anyone is interested in my 'Coming out' video on Youtube....

by Newly Enlightened in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hx5mghrvbs.

Patrick45

I was very interested. Thank you and Hallelujah. The truth about the "truth" shall set you free (Joh 14:1-6)

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Hej :) I am new here from Denmark as a member

by rikissalur in

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friends

Patrick45

Hi Riki,

Still believing in God and Jesus?

Still longing for salvation?

Just curious...

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RED ALERT FOR JULY 15TH STUDY on SUNDAY!

by The Searcher in

in the very first paragraph, matthew 13:38 is to be read - "the field is the world; as for the fine seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; but the weeds are the sons of the wicked one..".

jesus speaks of only two groups, so if you accept the wtbts "anointed" doctrine, then if you haven't got the "heavenly hope", then you've got no hope!.

simply put, there aren't any 'other sheep' members of jesus' "one flock" mentioned, unless of course theyare also "sons of the kingdom", but of course, that would be ridiculous!!.

Patrick45

There is no hope out there without being adopted out of the Adamic offspring into Jah's family as a bro or a sis of Christ. (including OT saints as per Heb11) The other sheep are clearly identified in Eph. Ch 2 as non-jewish believers that are co-hairs with Christ being in the one flock. Look what happens to those remaining on earth after the millenium -they are called Gog and Magog and are easily assembeled against the holy city and the camp of the holy ones (few). Those have not entered New Jerusalem while the doors stood open during the millenium (Rev:21 last couple of verses) Rev 22:14,15 shows that only INSIDE new jerusalem saved ones are to be found. V15 shows that outside of NJ nothing good is to be found. The earthly class doctrine is so so flawed. Another line of biblical reasoning is that everyone worshipping the wild beast of Rev will drink of the wrath of God. Those who overcome are described in Rev 15:2 as standing on the sea of glass (in heaven) or consider Rev 20:4 says that those will reign with Christ for 1000y. Finally: The great crowd (Rev7) is serving in the divine habitation (per JW interlinear). THis is clearly confirmed in Rev 19:1.

This WT-fortification will fall for sure before the GT.

God bless.

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Catholic Cardinal Says Adam and Eve Didnt Exist

by His Excellency in

http://consciouslifenews.com/catholic-cardinal-adam-eve-didnt-exist/1127457/

Patrick45

Faith is a precious gift for those who have it. Those who dont believe, say its stupidity. There are also those who are not sure what to think. Why cant we just get along with each one another? Why at regular intervals in history the believers get persecuted and killed? We will always be the weak part in this world and you will always seem to have power over our fate. At the end of time all things will be clarified. Until then, everyone is free to chose. I have chosen. I stick with God and pray for all of you.

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100% pure unadulterated speculation - what changes would a "New New World Tranlsation" contain?

by sir82 in

on this thread:.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/257481/1/i-cant-find-any-bibles-seems-to-be-a-shortage.

some (well, me, mostly) are speculating that the wts is planning to distribute a "new new world translation" some time soon.. if that is true, what changes do you think they would include?.

Patrick45

I think it would be a good idea to research the baptism formula contained in Mat.28:19. The evidence points towards a later addition dicted by Rome to "scriptualize" the trinity doctrine. As with the Comma Johanneum.

It should read that baptism has to be performed in Jesus name, as confirmed in Acts 2:38.

http://www.lighthouselibrary.com/pdf/UNKNOWN%20AUTHORS/MATTHEW%2028-19%20IS%20NOT%20SCRIPTURAL-ADDED%20%5BUnknown%20Author%5D.pdf

Happy reading.

Patrick

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Since Great Crowd has no mediator

by sosoconfused in

i am thinking that maybe i missed this discussion or something.

now for years in the org i never ever paid attention to the article that says jesus is the mediator for the 144000 alone.

yesterday talking to my 70+ year old dad he got violently angry with me and threw his cane at me because he said i was a liar.. .

Patrick45

@Darth Rutherford,

Its amazing how far the denial goes. JW resemble the three apes, or rather two of them. Covering the eyes and the ears but preaching aloud.

They should be quick to listen...

Jesus died for my sins, this is the most precious thing I have learned (experienced) in my whole life. My 10plus y of close contact with JW did not open that to me.

"In a strict biblical sense... you have no rights and are damned to be our slaves until you die without a real hope" Heb 9:27

I freely preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to them at any possible occasion.

An excellent support doing this is this image of the org with the heavenly chariot, angels, NY gang, circuit gang, body of elders gang, but WITHOUT JESUS.

This tells more than 1000 words. They deny Jesus and are truly at risk to be judged as part of the anti-christ. Matth 23 comes unavoidingly to mind. Esp v 13.

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Reply on Ytube

by Patrick45 in

i posted some comments on br.

blane's zone overseer talk and all got deleted.

it was critical and i posted some bible verses also.

Patrick45

I posted some comments on br. Blane's zone overseer talk and all got deleted. It was critical and I posted some bible verses also. Zippp

Here is my personal message to the JW who posted the vids.

"Hi,
Sorry, I forgot that JW issues are not a matter of free speech. Is it ok to delete analytical comments, especially those containing bible verses?
Totalitarian regimes silence opposition and avoid reasoning!

I give you a quiz- What is the opposite of independent thinking?
Isnt it : not thinking at all`?

Besides, I am not an apostate, I was never a baptized JW, so at least on this point you dont have to worry.

In fact I love JW's. They often have high moral standards.
I only question the legitimacy of the org. By defaithfulizing CTRussel the whole 1914 legitimacy starts to tumble anyway.
Besides both issues about the 607bce date were full of lies. Research VAT 4956 if you dare. The Furuli chronology is a hoax. Noone exept the WT says its legit.

As the angels start their harvesting and more and more bros and sis's wake up to their son and daughtership, it will become clear that Jesus is at work, even within the org. (besides, it's more and more about the org these days and less and lesser about Jesus, the true source of redemption and grace (or undeserved kindness as you might put it.))

It will amaze you how the believers within WT will start partaking at the memorial. I wonder how long the (true) numbers will still be made public. I give the WT 2 years before they say that they dont keep book anymore.

Once the number surpasses 100k this will start to pose a real problem and there should be an adjustment in understanding coming shortly after or even before.

Compare the statement of mentally unbalencement to what is said about the sheep and goat parabel. I would not dare to label any devoute believer as anything else than a son or a daughter of Jehovah and a brother of Christ Jesus.

Best wishes.
Patrick