Hey guys! Here's what I found to be the best way (for me at least) to debate JW's without earning the laber of apostate. This is mostly valid when debating JW's that don't know you personally, but it could help with those that do too. I know that's your first instinct and it's something many of you like to do, but you must NOT start to point out flaws in WT doctrine, or even criticize the organization in any possible way. Don't mentione anything about failed prophecies, stupid past and current doctrines, Rutherford, the hypocrisy, the inconsistencies and contradictions, the GB, the money grab, the pedophilia, anything JW related. Instead show them how silly is the belief in God, how the bible is full or irational stories, God's constant violence and genocide, how science disproves religious claims, etc. I've done it and funny enough, none of the JW's I was debating (who did not know me at all, as a JW or otherwise), called me an apostate. Furthermore, I've even tried it with my family (who are JW's) and even though it was met with moderate outrage, it wasn't dismissed completely and none of them called me an apostate or accused me of spreading apostate ideas. I told them I have no direct problem with JW's or the WT but with religion in general and the belief in God. JW's are trained to automatically call apostate any criticism to the cult and the leadership, but criticism to theism in general, not really. Sure, they'd label you an atheist but not an apostate. Even my family members say among themselves that I'm struggling with atheistic thoughts (lol) but have never labelled me apostate. That's their scare word and the designation we need to avoid in order to debate them more effectively (in my experience at least). It's much easier to plant seeds of doubt about Jokehova, and theism in general, in their minds then to do so about the borg, the holy Governing Body or their holy teachings. This is attacking the root problem, not just one of its branches called JW's. I hope this helps. Let me know what you think.
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The best way to debate JW's without being labeled an apostate
by cookiemaster inhey guys!
here's what i found to be the best way (for me at least) to debate jw's without earning the laber of apostate.
this is mostly valid when debating jw's that don't know you personally, but it could help with those that do too.
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what would happen If?
by sowhatnow ini submitted a letter to the local k hall, explaining that i no longer believe my baptism as a jw is valid, based on my current bible knowlege.
and i wish to be no longer considered a baptised [in this organization], jw, but simply a christain who studies the bible.. and then would continue to attend meetings?.
they couldnt prevent me, its open to the public.. .
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Even if you get a lawyer to nulify your baptism, it's all for nothing since they're going to shun you anyway, and shunning (especially from family) is what we're all afraid of, isn't it? You might not even be disfellowshipped and still be shunned.
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My dog just died.
by panhandlegirl ini just buried my beloved poddle, little brother.
he died suddenly.
i know to most people that is not an important event.
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I'm extremely sorry for your loss. I've been unfortunate enough to go through the same type of loss multiple times in the past year, so I understand how terrible it can be. The concept of an afterlife is nothing more than a coping mechanism humans use to deal with the harsh reality of death. It's not real, regardless if you're a human or an animal. You might find comfort thinking of all the ways you made your dog happy, knowing that there are dogs in the world who don't enjoy the love of humans and are merely thrown away, injured and without food. So, giving a dog the gift of living a good life can be extraordinary. Pets are family, and it's not silly to feel devastated by their death. Try to keep yourself occupied and the pain will fade a little as time goes by. I wish you all the best!
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Pakistani Blasphemy Law Used Against Jehovahs Witnesses
by Bangalore inpakistani blasphemy law used against jehovahas witnesses.https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2014/_05/article_3156846.html/bangalore.
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This makes me feel better about the American drones constantly bombing parts of Pakistan.
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Can you imagine what that would be like?
by cookiemaster inhey guys, here's something to think about.
in my country there's a small town of a few thousands people were most people are jws.
can you image what's like living there?
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Hey guys, here's something to think about. In my country there's a small town of a few thousands people were most people are JWs. Something like, over 70%. Can you image what's like living there? Especially while waking up to TATT. Basically, being born and growing up there, most of the people you would know, be it in school, work, family, the store, the doctor, would be JW. Leaving that would mean having to leave most of the people you ever had a relationship with. That must be hell on Earth. And finding TATT noticing you're living among all those cult weirdos. Crazy! Must be like one of those weird small towns you see in movies, you know, were a stranger comes and everyone's staring with a weird look and they all have a secret not known to visitors, LOL.
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Oh Irony of ironies: Googling for a problem caused by the WT and getting a solution from JW.org :-(
by BluePill2 ini have to share this with you.. after leaving the borg i had to concentrate to solve so many personal problems (financial, child custody, etc.
) that it left me with a poor social life.
i just didn't have the nerve/time to make new friends.
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Sowhatnow - WTF are you talking about? No offense but I don't have a single clue as to what you were trying to say. I'm not a Christian, I'm an atheist. I'm only posing as a JW due to their shitty emotional manipulation. I'm a born in, and the vast majority of the people I know and care about are JWs, so I can't leave without them shunning me, and be basically left without parents, grandparents, cousins, aunts/uncles, friends (some wouldn't shun me but we'd have to meet in secret), aquaintances, co-workers etc. But that doesn't mean I have a single shred of respect for this evil corporation.
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Oh Irony of ironies: Googling for a problem caused by the WT and getting a solution from JW.org :-(
by BluePill2 ini have to share this with you.. after leaving the borg i had to concentrate to solve so many personal problems (financial, child custody, etc.
) that it left me with a poor social life.
i just didn't have the nerve/time to make new friends.
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That's incredibly funny and infuriating at the same time. I'm still in (because of emotional blackmail) but I've been fortunate enough at most of my best friends that I grew up with in the borg woke up to the TTAT at almost the same exact time as me, on their own. So, now we gather at the hall or conventions and talk shit about the WT. It's quite fun.
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What's "THE END" going to look like?
by Coded Logic inokay, so its no secret that many of us are hoping to see the downfall of the wtbts (or at least a mass exodous of jws away from them anyway).
i was wondering if you had any thoughts on what this might look like?.
we all know that most every jw has their doubts, large and small, but is afraid to speak due to the illusion of unanimity and self censorship .
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Complete end will never happen. I belong to a group of futurists. With the tech advanced due in the next decade, they will encounter more difficulty. More of the planet will have internet access, controversial stem cell and gene therapies going mainstream, Armagheddon still not coming, better scientifically educated masses and more information available, transhumanism, etc, will all make it incresingly hard to maintain membership in the Western World. However, poor, ignorant, gullible people in third world countries? Those would buy anything. Plus, even if the WT corp would lose everything and everyone, big deal, they'd just rebrand themselves into a new religion and get new slaves. You know what they say, "there's a fool born every minute". Plus, I've noticed that a lot of people are just in for the social aspect. For them, it's more of a social club. A place where you get a chance at making many friends, being popular, social activities, etc. I could see this religion becoming mainly a lifestyle thing in the relatively near future.
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Only 1 out of 6 JWs (and friends) visit the JW.ORG web site!
by StephaneLaliberte inin a 2013 article currently on jw.org (reference 1), the jws bragged about how their website is translated into 300 languages and that it reaches, according to alexa statistics, 890,000 unique users every day.. what about the monthly stats?
the site websitetrafficspy.com (reference 2), which draws its statistics from alexa, reports that there are an estimated 3.2 million unique visitors every month for jw.org.*.
since the 2013 memorial had an attendance of 19.2 million (reference 3), this could be understood as 1/6 of the jws and their friends visited the site on a monthly basis.. this is not unexpected as the internet itself is used only by 39% of the planet at this time (reference 4).. hence, the number of languages in which the website is translated does not offer any guaranty as to its information being accessed or even be accessible at all to most of the planets population.. .
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It is a big deal. It's also hilarious how ineficient they are. A great bulk of the witness population lives in civilized countries (US, Europe, Asia) and has access to the internet. Yet, few seem to visit the website. I guess many in their ranks are old and are refusing to adapt to the new ways, especially considering how much they demonized the internet in the past two decades. The language translation thing for the WT is just about bragging rights. We have a website translated in 1000 languages, so the truth is reaching everyone on the planet, blah, blah, blah. I wonder how many of those languages are African languages, or in general from countries of the world were the people don't really have access to the internet. JW's are inneficient in the real world, and inneficient in the virtual world. It's all about bragging how much they preach, but without having anything substantial to show. Now, they're brainwashing everyone into worshipping the almighty JW.ORG.
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How old were you when baptized?
by Coded Logic ini was baptized at the age of 11. like most of us, my commitment wasnt to honor god but rather i was gang pressed into the service of the wtbts.
and, at such a young age, it was impossible for me to appreciate the enormity of my actions.
honestly, how could i possibly have known any better?
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I was 18, turning 19. At the time I was secretly an atheist for about a year, and I also knew about this website and others, and I was fully aware it was a cult. I did it because JW's were my world. My friends, my parents, basically almost everyone I had a personal relationship with was a JW. I held out for way too long and basically now everyone started shunning me. My parents were like, you're either with us or against us, my friends were the same.
I couldn't afford living on my own and had no option of getting away and I'm pretty sure I would have been homeless and lost everything if I hadn't done it. Well, I did it, without one ounce of sincerity. A few months later we moved in a remote area with few JW's and no kingdom hall for 70 miles. So, our family hasn't been to a KH from March. We only study once every few weeks or sometimes months (lol). My familiy's JWism basically involves going to the Memorial, a convention or two a year, a couple of KH visits and a once every few months a "family study". This allowed me to alienate my parents further from the cult and even express clear doubt about the existence of god. My mother reports fake time for me every month without me even asking her to do it (lolol). I can live a pretty normal life now and hopefully we'll slowly get as far away as possible from this twisted cult.