Posts by cookiemaster

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If you are having problems or lacking joy, then the flow of Holy Spirit in your life is lacking!

by stuckinarut2 in

yes, this comment was just made by the speaker today!:.

"if you find that you are lacking in joy or experiencing problems in life, this is evidence that jehovah's spirit is lacking or being blocked in your life".

i sat there thinking "are you kidding me brother?...

cookiemaster

Funny! We had exactly the same talk last week and the speaker said the same thing. This is coming from the WT. Completely nonsensical and illogical as always.

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The best way to debate JW's without being labeled an apostate

by cookiemaster in

hey guys!

here's what i found to be the best way (for me at least) to debate jw's without earning the laber of apostate.

this is mostly valid when debating jw's that don't know you personally, but it could help with those that do too.

cookiemaster

WOW, you guys are brilliant. So many great approaches. You all have great experiences to share and I think we can all learn a lot from each other.

Blondie - Not so much in my experience. Especially if they don't personally know you and approch you on the street or something. You don't have to say atheist right from the bat but express doubts or concerns about God, the bible, etc. They're usually trained to scream apostate as soon as someone criticizes the WT and their beloved GB. Any questioning of JW doctrine, especially in a way revealing you have inside knowledge, makes you instantly an apostate. Questioning god, religion, holy writings and stuff like that might do that too (it's very possible) but not to the same extent as questioning the borg.

AndDontCallMeShirley - Hahah, you are very corect. Even when you give answers at the WT Sunday study, if you don't use JW vocabulary but synonym words that aren't present in their publications, they almost freak out.

NAVYTOWN - Those are brilliant questions I'll certainly try to use.

RedVip2000 - Your approach is very sneaky. And you're right. Thing is, I don't necessarily say outright that I don't believe in God. It depends on the person you're interacting with. You can take a more moderate approach and say you have your doubts about God (due to all the evil stuff from the bible), the bible, that you found certain scientific innacuracies in the bible, concerns about the bible's origin, God's morals, that sort of stuff. You know, trying to be tame and non-confrontational. More like, asking their assistance in getting help with these questions.

Breakfast of Champions - Thanks! That's exactly my experience too. You can say stuff about God, the bible, whatever but don't you dare say anything about the almighty WT, Governing Body, or their saints (Russel, Rutherford, Knorr).

Greener - With people you know that won't immediately turn you in as an apostate (family for example) it's a good approach. Most JW's have no idea such despicable things are allowed to happen, so it's really shocking to them.

Oubliette - I did now know this approach and I have to say, it's pure genius. Seriously, it's much better than my idea. This is something you can actually use with family members without getting into a huge fight. Brilliant.

StuckInARut- You got big cojones man. Seriously, you're a hero for having the balls to do this. It's great. I can only imagine the look on their faces, and then trying to somehow justify in their minds what you just told them. Like, Jehovah has ordered many atrocities and genocides, but, but, but those people were sinners, and those babies deserved to die because they would grow up to be sinners.

JWdaughter - Yes, exactly. The biggest possible threat you can present is challenging the organization. Having doubts about God or the bible is seen nowhere near as dangerous. It's almost like nobody cares. Since you're not having any problem with the authority of the elders or governing body, it's all good. You're not an apostate, just a troubled individual.

SparrowDown - I'm one of those baptized post 2010 and you couldn't be more right. I did not know any bible verses, I didn't read the WT or anything. I barely knew enough to get baptized to please my family and friends. What a fool I've been.

GodSendConspirator - Unfortunately, I don't have that luxury because my family are JW's and I can't abandon them in this wretched cult.

Kaik - That's a good technique too. Certainly has a shock value about it. Problem is, it's a bit too confrontational and aggressive and they're mentally conditioned by the GB to immediately dismiss such attacks as apostate.

WallsofJerich- Great advice. Thanks!

CrazyGuy - Very well thought out. I agree entirely.

Phizzy - You're right. I might have been a little too aggressive in my original post. It's indeed very important to take things slowly and not be too confrontational.

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The best way to debate JW's without being labeled an apostate

by cookiemaster in

hey guys!

here's what i found to be the best way (for me at least) to debate jw's without earning the laber of apostate.

this is mostly valid when debating jw's that don't know you personally, but it could help with those that do too.

cookiemaster

Hey guys! Here's what I found to be the best way (for me at least) to debate JW's without earning the laber of apostate. This is mostly valid when debating JW's that don't know you personally, but it could help with those that do too. I know that's your first instinct and it's something many of you like to do, but you must NOT start to point out flaws in WT doctrine, or even criticize the organization in any possible way. Don't mentione anything about failed prophecies, stupid past and current doctrines, Rutherford, the hypocrisy, the inconsistencies and contradictions, the GB, the money grab, the pedophilia, anything JW related. Instead show them how silly is the belief in God, how the bible is full or irational stories, God's constant violence and genocide, how science disproves religious claims, etc. I've done it and funny enough, none of the JW's I was debating (who did not know me at all, as a JW or otherwise), called me an apostate. Furthermore, I've even tried it with my family (who are JW's) and even though it was met with moderate outrage, it wasn't dismissed completely and none of them called me an apostate or accused me of spreading apostate ideas. I told them I have no direct problem with JW's or the WT but with religion in general and the belief in God. JW's are trained to automatically call apostate any criticism to the cult and the leadership, but criticism to theism in general, not really. Sure, they'd label you an atheist but not an apostate. Even my family members say among themselves that I'm struggling with atheistic thoughts (lol) but have never labelled me apostate. That's their scare word and the designation we need to avoid in order to debate them more effectively (in my experience at least). It's much easier to plant seeds of doubt about Jokehova, and theism in general, in their minds then to do so about the borg, the holy Governing Body or their holy teachings. This is attacking the root problem, not just one of its branches called JW's. I hope this helps. Let me know what you think.

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what would happen If?

by sowhatnow in

i submitted a letter to the local k hall, explaining that i no longer believe my baptism as a jw is valid, based on my current bible knowlege.

and i wish to be no longer considered a baptised [in this organization], jw, but simply a christain who studies the bible.. and then would continue to attend meetings?.

they couldnt prevent me, its open to the public.. .

cookiemaster

Even if you get a lawyer to nulify your baptism, it's all for nothing since they're going to shun you anyway, and shunning (especially from family) is what we're all afraid of, isn't it? You might not even be disfellowshipped and still be shunned.

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My dog just died.

by panhandlegirl in

i just buried my beloved poddle, little brother.

he died suddenly.

i know to most people that is not an important event.

cookiemaster

I'm extremely sorry for your loss. I've been unfortunate enough to go through the same type of loss multiple times in the past year, so I understand how terrible it can be. The concept of an afterlife is nothing more than a coping mechanism humans use to deal with the harsh reality of death. It's not real, regardless if you're a human or an animal. You might find comfort thinking of all the ways you made your dog happy, knowing that there are dogs in the world who don't enjoy the love of humans and are merely thrown away, injured and without food. So, giving a dog the gift of living a good life can be extraordinary. Pets are family, and it's not silly to feel devastated by their death. Try to keep yourself occupied and the pain will fade a little as time goes by. I wish you all the best!

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Pakistani Blasphemy Law Used Against Jehovahs Witnesses

by Bangalore in

pakistani blasphemy law used against jehovahas witnesses.https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2014/_05/article_3156846.html/bangalore.

cookiemaster

This makes me feel better about the American drones constantly bombing parts of Pakistan.

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Can you imagine what that would be like?

by cookiemaster in

hey guys, here's something to think about.

in my country there's a small town of a few thousands people were most people are jws.

can you image what's like living there?

cookiemaster

Hey guys, here's something to think about. In my country there's a small town of a few thousands people were most people are JWs. Something like, over 70%. Can you image what's like living there? Especially while waking up to TATT. Basically, being born and growing up there, most of the people you would know, be it in school, work, family, the store, the doctor, would be JW. Leaving that would mean having to leave most of the people you ever had a relationship with. That must be hell on Earth. And finding TATT noticing you're living among all those cult weirdos. Crazy! Must be like one of those weird small towns you see in movies, you know, were a stranger comes and everyone's staring with a weird look and they all have a secret not known to visitors, LOL.

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Oh Irony of ironies: Googling for a problem caused by the WT and getting a solution from JW.org :-(

by BluePill2 in

i have to share this with you.. after leaving the borg i had to concentrate to solve so many personal problems (financial, child custody, etc.

) that it left me with a poor social life.

i just didn't have the nerve/time to make new friends.

cookiemaster

Sowhatnow - WTF are you talking about? No offense but I don't have a single clue as to what you were trying to say. I'm not a Christian, I'm an atheist. I'm only posing as a JW due to their shitty emotional manipulation. I'm a born in, and the vast majority of the people I know and care about are JWs, so I can't leave without them shunning me, and be basically left without parents, grandparents, cousins, aunts/uncles, friends (some wouldn't shun me but we'd have to meet in secret), aquaintances, co-workers etc. But that doesn't mean I have a single shred of respect for this evil corporation.

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Oh Irony of ironies: Googling for a problem caused by the WT and getting a solution from JW.org :-(

by BluePill2 in

i have to share this with you.. after leaving the borg i had to concentrate to solve so many personal problems (financial, child custody, etc.

) that it left me with a poor social life.

i just didn't have the nerve/time to make new friends.

cookiemaster

That's incredibly funny and infuriating at the same time. I'm still in (because of emotional blackmail) but I've been fortunate enough at most of my best friends that I grew up with in the borg woke up to the TTAT at almost the same exact time as me, on their own. So, now we gather at the hall or conventions and talk shit about the WT. It's quite fun.

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What's "THE END" going to look like?

by Coded Logic in

okay, so its no secret that many of us are hoping to see the downfall of the wtbts (or at least a mass exodous of jws away from them anyway).

i was wondering if you had any thoughts on what this might look like?.

we all know that most every jw has their doubts, large and small, but is afraid to speak due to the illusion of unanimity and self censorship .

cookiemaster

Complete end will never happen. I belong to a group of futurists. With the tech advanced due in the next decade, they will encounter more difficulty. More of the planet will have internet access, controversial stem cell and gene therapies going mainstream, Armagheddon still not coming, better scientifically educated masses and more information available, transhumanism, etc, will all make it incresingly hard to maintain membership in the Western World. However, poor, ignorant, gullible people in third world countries? Those would buy anything. Plus, even if the WT corp would lose everything and everyone, big deal, they'd just rebrand themselves into a new religion and get new slaves. You know what they say, "there's a fool born every minute". Plus, I've noticed that a lot of people are just in for the social aspect. For them, it's more of a social club. A place where you get a chance at making many friends, being popular, social activities, etc. I could see this religion becoming mainly a lifestyle thing in the relatively near future.