Posts by cookiemaster

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Nethanyahu speach to US Congress - not in sync with NRA position on weapons

by RubaDub in

i don't quite understand why mr. nethanyahu is so fearful if iran or other nations have nuclear weapons.

as the nra espouses, the more people are armed and the more weapons on the street, then the safer we should feel.

we all should have the right to protect ourselves.

cookiemaster

I'm from Europe, so sorry to barge in on your discussion but I never understood why Americans love and feel that they need weapons. Is it a sociological remnant from the time of the colonies? Is it a cultural thing? I just don't get it. Here in Europe, I've only met one person that owned a gun in my entire life, and he was a professional hunter. No regular person I have ever met owned a gun. It's also weird to see all the police shootings and chases that take place in America. Again, I'm not trying to make any claim or anything, but I've lived in Europe all my life and never, ever heard of a police chase. I did hear of a shooting a few years ago on the news. But that was the only one and only two bullets were fired in the air as a warning. You guys also have much harsher prison sentences. What gets you 25 years in the US, gets you 5 in Europe. I'm fascinated by these differences. Why do they exist?

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A Question for Underground Apostates, How Many Are There?

by Village Idiot in

when i first came to this forum i was of the belief that those of us who were still in due to family reasons were few in numbers perhaps one in a thousand in the jws.

soon i came to the realization that there were many more.

we have dozens of posters here who are mentally out but still in.

cookiemaster

I've been mentally out for over 3 years now. I submit about 1-2 hours of service every month to keep up appearances and everyone leaves me alone. I haven't been to a meeting since October. In my current congregation there are about 40 pubs and I think I'm the only one mentally out. There was this daughter of an elder who used to come to meetings, but never baptized and now is dating a worldly guy, so she's definitely out. In my old congo of about 100 pubs, my best friend was also mentally out. I knew most young ones really well, so I knew for certain he and I were the only ones. I knew another guys from a neighboring congo who was also mentally about. So, in my experience, it's 1-2 on average that are still in and mentally out. At over 100k congos in the world, it should be something like 150 k undercover apostates.

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The "preaching work" is just laughable!

by cookiemaster in

the "preaching work" they're so eager to brag about is just laughable.

they say their number is an indication of god's blessing.

oh, please, give me a break!

cookiemaster

The "preaching work" they're so eager to brag about is just laughable. They say their number is an indication of God's blessing. Oh, please, give me a break! How many members do they currently have? A little over 8 million? I could name at least 20 religions of the top of my head that have way, way more members, without even trying to attract a membership. Certainly not like them. The "preaching work" JWs do is stupid and inefficient. It keeps them busy but doesn't do much else. And while they like to brag about the percentage growth in new members, let's not forget that the planet has a hell of a lot more people than it used to. So, they might rejoice about spending trillions of hours in service over the course of a decade and gaining a couple millions of new members, but that's less than a drop in the ocean on a worldwide scale.

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I need your advice

by cookiemaster in

i need some advice.

actually my friend needs some advice.

a few years ago i moved about 50 km (30 miles) away from the nearest congo and have since tried to live a normal life.

cookiemaster

OnTheWayOut - I might have not mentioned it, because I thought it was kinda obvious, but he asked me for my advice. Furthermore, I even told him I will ask for advice on this forum and he said that's a great idea. So, he's definitely willing to accept advice from me and from you guys. He's not so much after closure as much as he is for being left alone by JW's, preferably without getting DF'ed or DA'ing.

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I need your advice

by cookiemaster in

i need some advice.

actually my friend needs some advice.

a few years ago i moved about 50 km (30 miles) away from the nearest congo and have since tried to live a normal life.

cookiemaster

Thank you so much everyone for your advice! It's quite helpful. About the meeting with the elders. They asked if they could meet with him. He said they could come to his apartment on Saturday at 7 PM, and they agreed. It doesn't sound like a judicial meeting.

He was seen a few months ago in town with his worldly girlfriend, holding her hand. If my mother, who lives 160 km (100 miles) away from where he lives, heard the rumors, the elders probably have too. Still, I don't think it's likely this is a judicial meeting just yet. As far as I know, it's not a sin to hold a girl's hand. Anyway, he's the kind of guy who likes to be honest about stuff. He just tells things like they are, but in this case I don't think it's the best course of action.

They recently had the CO's visit, so the elders probably want to visit him because the CO gave them a hard time about not visiting him. It's funny because three elders live in the neighboring apartment buildings, and they did make any visit for a long time. Now, all of the sudden they want to visit. Since he lives in a city with something like 15 congregations, and JW's are on every corner, I don't think getting disfellowshipped unnecessarily would be a good option. Seeing how he's not fond of lying nor is he any good at it, per the advice given by most of you, I think the best option is to just avoid meeting them. That way, there's nothing they can do.

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I need your advice

by cookiemaster in

i need some advice.

actually my friend needs some advice.

a few years ago i moved about 50 km (30 miles) away from the nearest congo and have since tried to live a normal life.

cookiemaster

I need some advice. Actually my friend needs some advice. A few years ago I moved about 50 km (30 miles) away from the nearest congo and have since tried to live a normal life. I still submit some time, usually an hour, so I won't be officially inactive and they leave me alone. I also go to the meetings once every few months to keep up appearances. Anyway, my best friend stayed in the city. He's in a neighborhood with two congos. He hasn't been to any meeting in almost a year and has been inactive since. Back in July the elders called to meet with him, so he made up an excuse. Now, they've been at his workplace to look for him, and have called him again. They set up a meeting this Saturday. He told me that he wants to tell them he doesn't believe in God anymore and doesn't wish to go to the meetings anymore either. However, this will probably mean to them that he's disassociated. His mother is still a JW. She's not too faithful either, but would still dislike such news. It would also mean that we'd have to talk and meet in secret. So, this option might not be the most optimal one. Another option would be to tell them his faith is weak and he wants to go to the meetings but he can't or doesn't feel like it. This would make them want to study with him again, which he is determined to avoid. Basically, there isn't a good lie or other type of good reason he can offer which would explain his inactivity, other than the fact that he doesn't believe the God bullshit anymore. The third option would be to miss this meeting too. None of these are optimal. Have any of you been through this kind of situation? What would you advise?

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Funny story about dumb JW rules

by cookiemaster in

some years ago (the year when i got baptized), i was at a district convention (or whatever they call them these days) with my best friend.

he had a part in one of those acting parts at the convention (i have no idea the term jw's use for them in english).

anyway, we were both seeing through the bullshit of the borg but weren't aware at the time of this forum or other "apostate" groups, nor of the full extent of the perversity of this religion.

cookiemaster

Also, I remember they actually wrote an article sometime ago about people investing too much time and effort into their pets and treating them like idols, LOL.

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Funny story about dumb JW rules

by cookiemaster in

some years ago (the year when i got baptized), i was at a district convention (or whatever they call them these days) with my best friend.

he had a part in one of those acting parts at the convention (i have no idea the term jw's use for them in english).

anyway, we were both seeing through the bullshit of the borg but weren't aware at the time of this forum or other "apostate" groups, nor of the full extent of the perversity of this religion.

cookiemaster

Rebel8 - I see. Well, now I feel like a moron for not realizing it was a joke, but honestly it's too hard to tell the difference these days. Most of the things they write seem to be a joke.

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Funny story about dumb JW rules

by cookiemaster in

some years ago (the year when i got baptized), i was at a district convention (or whatever they call them these days) with my best friend.

he had a part in one of those acting parts at the convention (i have no idea the term jw's use for them in english).

anyway, we were both seeing through the bullshit of the borg but weren't aware at the time of this forum or other "apostate" groups, nor of the full extent of the perversity of this religion.

cookiemaster

Brandnew, they truly have filled this religion with one idiotic rule after another. In your case, it's funny to see how they were all A holes about it and wouldn't give the sister with the kids a ride, but wouldn't let you give her one either, even though it's not like you could have crushed her faith or something in the time it would have taken or get her home.

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Funny story about dumb JW rules

by cookiemaster in

some years ago (the year when i got baptized), i was at a district convention (or whatever they call them these days) with my best friend.

he had a part in one of those acting parts at the convention (i have no idea the term jw's use for them in english).

anyway, we were both seeing through the bullshit of the borg but weren't aware at the time of this forum or other "apostate" groups, nor of the full extent of the perversity of this religion.

cookiemaster

Morpheus, you are right of course. It's truly ridiculous!

Rebel, I didn't know. I thought it wasn't a big deal. Obviously, I was wrong. And LOL what? That article is hilarious! Is it for real? I know they're morons about everything, but how could they possibly write such an idiotic thing?

Village Idiot, that must have been awkward, both for you and the person she was studying with who must have thought afterwards that JWs are weirdos.