Dear Brother Johnson,
I read your letter with great emotion.
I do understand why you want to stay and help the battered sheep.
The congregation is fortunate to have you. As least they have one real shepherd in among the sheep dogs.
Hugs
Yesidid
while an earlier version was made available privately the time has come to 'progress'.. conscious class and ex both strongly adhere to not keeping things 'hidden' in regards to wts publications, talks and documents which are circulated in order to maintain it's position.. another wonderful poster (who has yet to give me permission to name) has 'reduced' and 'bookmarked' the first full copy link i was given by our 'winner'.. in this newest and final 'clean' copy link you find two other additions besides the reduction/bookmarking..... the brother who uploaded the entire book wishes all to have a copy that includes both boe ltrs (pre-ks ltr and spiral binding ltr).
also another development has occurred.... the brother responsible for this book being brought into light and put forth for public consumption and discussion has requested i post this letter explaining to 'us' (jwn posters/global audience) and 'them' (wts of penn & ny).. i ask you give attention to his words/ experiences as he is representative of a newly emerging demographic within the conscious class.
so without further ado i give you his link and the 'stage' if you will to 'brother johnson'....... [link removed - contact ynot for further info - lady lee].
Dear Brother Johnson,
I read your letter with great emotion.
I do understand why you want to stay and help the battered sheep.
The congregation is fortunate to have you. As least they have one real shepherd in among the sheep dogs.
Hugs
Yesidid
we all talk about the negatives about the ugly face of the watchtower that i thought i would start a 'happy' thread.. what are some of your favorite non-wt quotes?.
here's a good one to start:.
you cannot be, i know, nor do i wish to see you, an inactive spectator.
"Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference."
Unknown
in 04 i was brought before a comitee of 3 elders and admited to sex before marriage, given my situation at the time i fell short, i showed repentance for it and they said they were going to recomend i leave for awhile to find myself spiritually...(wow the only time they got one right) i did find myself spiritually through other means.
now i have a question since i no longer want to be a part of this organization and i was cast out from it, shouldnt my records with my personal information be destroyed?
if its in a file that i do not want to exist?
Privacy laws differ country to country.
In the US it would be difficult to get them to destroy information, in the UK the laws are much tighter and you would probably succeed.
in thrall to a cult: how the unwary fall victim to mind control.. .
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/in-thrall-to-a-cult-how-the-unwary-fall-victim-to-mind-control-20101016-16odx.html.
bangalore.
The article verifies what I have always thought to be the case:
It has nothing to do with intelligence!
Those who say Jehovah's Witnesses are stupid should read that article.
jehovah's witnesses: a model for church and state begin blogger thumbs end blogger thumbs by joel p. engardio.
if i'm ever allowed to legally marry, my mother won't attend my wedding.. i'm a gay man and my mom is one of jehovah's witnesses.
to remain true to her faith, she can't in good conscience be part of a same-sex marriage celebration.
It is very obvious that Engardio was never baptised. Had he been pressured into a young baptism as many of us "born ins" were, he would be playing a different tune.
As a young baptised witness he would have been disfellowshipped, thrown out of the family home and rarely spoken to again.
[click here for a little history...].
mission accomplished!
my wife and i held off the announcement and were able to attend my bil's wedding & reception this past weekend.
Well done SBC.
Your letter must make at least one of the elders think, at least one.
I feel sorry for your father. He will spend many hours sadly remembering how he treated you.
You will have sadness too, but not from a guilty conscience.
Hugs to you and your family.
yesidid
just got back from an awesome time in maui.
today we got a call from my fil.
my mil has been in utah for the last week or so and found out that her family past was full of "demon activity".
Can't see anything on your other thread.
i found this documentary that was previously sent on german television.
description:.
"expelled from paradise.
Thank you Caminante,
That was very kind of you to spend all that time and energy to translate that doco for us.
PS
You did a great job of the translation.
Thanks again.
i ask because i threw down the challenge on another thread that if any agreed with debator/reniaa's apologetics in any area would they please post so that we can see where jw's are correct in their teachings.. nobody supported deb/ren's points.. i do not ask for a list of "correct" jw teachings, just where is deb/ren's correct presentation of wt/jw beliefs that stand scrutiny and are truth.. if there are none then we do not need to engage in any kind of talk with deb/ren..
I really don't understand why some get their knickers in a knot about whether debator is reniaa or who is whom.
Like someone said: just debate the issues at hand. It doesn't matter who is saying them, just debate the facts not the person.
OK so they might be deceptive. So since when have any of us been perfect?
The facts, just debate the facts.
hi u guys, this is my first post.
i really dont know where to start except for now i have found out the truth about the "truth".
she asked if i want to still be a jw and i said no.
Welcome Bloominglotus.
You sure have had tough run.
As has been said, don't do anything in a hurry.
hugs
y