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  April 05 KM: Living w/ Soundness of Mind in an Electronic Age

  by ithinkisee in

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  kingdom ministry - april 2005

  week starting april 18th

  15 min: living w/ soundness of mind in an electronic age.

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  Elsewhere

  You are too much. I have often been impressed by the speed of your information gathering......But

  hey five minutes for all that.

  Incredible
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  Visiting my JW father going crazy!!

  by pc in

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  i am visiting my dad in fl.

  with my kids for a few days.

  he wanted to bring one of my sons to the meeting tonight and i said no.

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  If he is old and it makes him happy, leave him be.

  I cant see that tearing away the beliefs of an old person is going to help him.

  All you are doing is taking away his peace of mind.

  What have you got to offer him to replace his beliefs? Hey the man's old. Why do it.

  Now dont get me wrong, I personally disagree wih most of what the Watchtower religion teaches. However there are some people for whom the religion is a crutch. If they have no other support system, and this belief system is helpful, why kick it out from under them.

  Completely different if they are young and have a life to live.

  my 2 cents

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  Call Me Stupid But.... Who Is Ted Jaracz?

  by adelmaal in

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  i keep seeing that name and would love to know who in the heck he is/was.... was he part of the governing body at one time?

  is he in coc?

  i have only gotten 1/2 way through the book so far...

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  If you want to know what kind of personality he has, take a look at the traits of the org. It reflects who he is pretty closely

  Amen and Amen to that.

  He started throwing his weight around in the mid seventies. In the eighties he was THE BOSS even though Henchel was the

  president. As truth about the truth said, the harsh organization we see today is a refelection of that one man.

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  Study conductor claims the "WTS is not the FDS"...and other JW affirmations

  by M.J. in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am currently following the ongoing saga of a person who is studying to be a jw and her unbelieving husband's attempts to sway her in this endeavor.

  he has gotten her to read cofc and she's halfway through it, but nonetheless, she remains bound to the jws and wants to continue her persuit.

  he has tried to call into question that the wts could have been appointed by jesus as the "faithful, discreet slave", but the person she is studying with flat out told her that jws do not believe that jesus chose the wts as the fds and, that they don't believe that they are the one chosen religion/church.

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  This person claims that all past predictions which are wrapped up in these beliefs have since changed.

  They use the excuse that they have changed their beliefs so we should not mention them.

  Below is an absolutely brilliant refutation of that argument by JT. Well done JT.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/60257/1.ashx

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  What's the Watchtower's definition of an "Apostate"?

  by JH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if a person doesn't go to meetings nor in the field service, he's considered "inactive".

  an inactive person is not an apostate.

  if an inactive person joins a forum like this one, he is automatically considered an apostate by the watchtower org.

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  WT April 1 1986 pg 30

  "Questions From Readers
  ? Why have Jehovah?s Witnesses disfellowshipped (excommunicated) for apostasy some who still profess belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ?

  Those who voice such an objection point out that many religious organizations claiming to be Christian allow dissident views. Even some clergymen disagree with basic teachings of their church, yet they remain in good standing. In nearly all the denominations of Christendom, there are modernists and fundamentalists who greatly disagree with one another as to the inspiration of the Scriptures.

  However, such examples provide no grounds for our doing the same. Why not? Many of such denominations allow widely divergent views among the clergy and the laity because they feel they cannot be certain as to just what is Bible truth. They are like the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus? day who were unable to speak as persons having authority, which is how Jesus taught. (Matthew 7:29) Moreover, to the extent that religionists believe in interfaith, they are obligated not to take divergent beliefs too seriously.

  But taking such a view of matters has no basis in the Scriptures. Jesus did not make common cause with any of the sects of Judaism. Jews of those sects professed to believe in the God of creation and in the Hebrew Scriptures, particularly the Law of Moses. Still, Jesus told his disciples to ?watch out . . . for the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.? (Matthew 16:11, 12; 23:15) Note also how strongly the apostle Paul stated matters: ?Even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed.? Paul then repeated that statement for emphasis.?Galatians 1:8, 9.

  Teaching dissident or divergent views is not compatible with true Christianity, as Paul makes clear at 1 Corinthians 1:10: ?I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought.? (New International Version) At Ephesians 4:3-6 he further stated that Christians should be ?earnestly endeavoring to observe the oneness of the spirit in the uniting bond of peace. One body there is, and one spirit, even as you were called in the one hope to which you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all persons.?

  Was this unity to be achieved and maintained by each one?s independently searching the Scriptures, coming to his own conclusions, and then teaching these? Not at all! Through Jesus Christ, Jehovah God provided for this purpose ?some as apostles, . . . some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers . . . until we all attain to the oneness in the faith and in the accurate knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man.? Yes, with the help of such ministers, congregational unity?oneness in teaching and activity?could be and would be possible.?Ephesians 4:11-13.

  Obviously, a basis for approved fellowship with Jehovah?s Witnesses cannot rest merely on a belief in God, in the Bible, in Jesus Christ, and so forth. The Roman Catholic pope, as well as the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, professes such beliefs, yet their church memberships are exclusive of each other. Likewise, simply professing to have such beliefs would not authorize one to be known as one of Jehovah?s Witnesses.

  Approved association with Jehovah?s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah?s Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?

  That the great issue before humankind is the rightfulness of Jehovah?s sovereignty, which is why he has allowed wickedness so long. (Ezekiel 25:17) That Jesus Christ had a prehuman existence and is subordinate to his heavenly Father. (John 14:28) That there is a ?faithful and discreet slave? upon earth today ?entrusted with all of Jesus? earthly interests,? which slave is associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah?s Witnesses. (Matthew 24:45-47) That 1914 marked the end of the Gentile Times and the establishment of the Kingdom of God in the heavens, as well as the time for Christ?s foretold presence. (Luke 21:7-24; Revelation 11:15?12:10) That only 144,000 Christians will receive the heavenly reward. (Revelation 14:1, 3) That Armageddon, referring to the battle of the great day of God the Almighty, is near. (Revelation 16:14, 16; 19:11-21) That it will be followed by Christ?s Millennial Reign, which will restore an earth-wide paradise. That the first to enjoy it will be the present ?great crowd? of Jesus? ?other sheep.??John 10:16; Revelation 7:9-17; 21:3, 4.

  Do we have Scriptural precedent for taking such a strict position? Indeed we do! Paul wrote about some in his day: ?Their word will spread like gangrene. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of that number. These very men have deviated from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already occurred; and they are subverting the faith of some.? (2 Timothy 2:17, 18; see also Matthew 18:6.) There is nothing to indicate that these men did not believe in God, in the Bible, in Jesus? sacrifice. Yet, on this one basic point, what they were teaching as to the time of the resurrection, Paul rightly branded them as apostates, with whom faithful Christians would not fellowship.
  Similarly, the apostle John termed as antichrists those who did not believe that Jesus had come in the flesh. They may well have believed in God, in the Hebrew Scriptures, in Jesus as God?s Son, and so on. But on this point, that Jesus had actually come in the flesh, they disagreed and thus were termed ?antichrist.? John goes on to say regarding those holding such variant views: ?If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works.??2 John 7, 10, 11.
  Following such Scriptural patterns, if a Christian (who claims belief in God, the Bible, and Jesus) unrepentantly promotes false teachings, it may be necessary for him to be expelled from the congregation. (See Titus 3:10, 11.) Of course, if a person just has doubts or is uninformed on a point, qualified ministers will lovingly assist him. This accords with the counsel: ?Continue showing mercy to some that have doubts; save them by snatching them out of the fire.? (Jude 22, 23) Hence, the true Christian congregation cannot rightly be accused of being harshly dogmatic, but it does highly value and work toward the unity encouraged in God?s Word."

  Its a shame that some of the teachings that one would be disfrellowshiped for in '86 have now been changed. Oh well!!!

  yesidid

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  Tough day -- my mom died today

  by cruzanheart in

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  poor thing, she's had alzheimer's for about 10 years and the last year she's been on hospice care because she's been so close to death.

  the past few months she's been slowly filling up with water -- they gave her lasix (not sure of the spelling) to relieve the edema and it worked, sort of.

  last weekend she actually looked a little better.

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  (((((((((((Nina and family))))))))))

  Just wish I could do more.

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  "We only believe what the Bible says" or Help Refute a Common JW Claim

  by Check_Your_Premises in

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  2. beliefs

  i am presently trying to get my wife to not drink the kool-aid (get baptized).

  i have been pointing out to her that her and all jw beliefs come from the interpretation of scripture provided by the gb, and the inherent problems/contradictions therof.

  they say something like, "we don't put the gb on a pedestal or anything, we believe what we believe because it is in the bible, not because the gb is telling us to believe it.".

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  Sorry forgot the url.

  http://www.geocities.com/captives_of_a_concept/index.html?200515
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  "We only believe what the Bible says" or Help Refute a Common JW Claim

  by Check_Your_Premises in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am presently trying to get my wife to not drink the kool-aid (get baptized).

  i have been pointing out to her that her and all jw beliefs come from the interpretation of scripture provided by the gb, and the inherent problems/contradictions therof.

  they say something like, "we don't put the gb on a pedestal or anything, we believe what we believe because it is in the bible, not because the gb is telling us to believe it.".

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  You can get a lot of info from Don Cameron's book "Captives of a Concept"

  Good part is you can download it for $5 something. It demolishes TFDS teaching, and, from their own literature.

  I have read a lot of books about the Witnesses, but this is small [150 pages], and very focused on that one teaching. For me, a wonderful $5 investment.

  Chapter 5 of ?Captives of a Concept? mentions ?The One Mistake All Jehovah?s Witnesses Have Made? where it states?

  ?All those who are now Jehovah?s Witnesses have failed to carefully examine the Watchtower?s claim of being God?s ?faithful and discreet slave organization? based upon what Russell and Rutherford had been teaching down till 1919 in fulfillment of Matthew 24:45-47. And all those who become Jehovah?s Witnesses in the future will make this same mistake.?

  Although ?Captives of a Concept? only considers 48 teachings that the Society now admits would have failed such an examination, within those 48 teachings were thousands of portions of improper and untimely spiritual food that had been served millions of times from 1876 to 1919.
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  I APOLOGIZE RE MY JOHN DENVER COMMENTS

  by londoner in

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  2. friends

  ok i accept that it was bad to say a plane crash was too good for him, no excuse.. .

  for those of you who dont know what i'm on about it's regarding my post "the john denver issus, vote now" .

  having been subjected to 50 yrs of preducial abuse while i was a jw can have a pretty lasting effect towards some of the people who were responsible for dishing it out, you should have been at the concert it made me feel sick.

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  I have no love for the JW religion, but wouldn't ask a JW to leave my home unless he wasn't behaving.

  Especially if you had charged him for coming.
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  FreedomFrog

  by yesidid in

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  i am starting again.

  could someone delete my first futile attempt.

  that is if this one works.

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