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  When did WT lose the spirit?

  by Smiles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at what time would you say that the watch tower schema lost the spirit?.

  like the ancient nation of israel which struggled maintaining divine blessing due to a long series of grave errors that eventually culminated in definitive loss... how and when did watch tower lose the spirit?.

  can we pinpoint a time or event?.

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  Smiles

  Problem with quickly claiming WT never had the spirit, or that the spirit is a myth:

  • Sweeping overgeneralizations as those are usually not successful in helping PIMI to accept the truth about "the truth". PIMI are better helped to shift toward PIMO & POMO through small doses of exposé... factual events where Watch Tower failed to be "God's spirit directed organization."

  
  Another problem with claiming Watch Tower never had the spirit or that the spirit is a myth:
  

  • Such claims raise more questions about the claimant than it does about Watch Tower itself.

  
  

  Probably the only persons that can make such a claim with any real validity are persons that were never associated with Watch Tower, or those that instantly detected Watch Tower failures and then immediately rejected Watch Tower.

  
  If an active or former JW were to claim, as some have done here, that WT never had the spirit, or that the spirit is a myth, either claim would place the onus upon their own shoulders as to why he or she ever joined and followed Watch Tower while purporting itself to be "God's spirit directed organization."
  If WT never had the spirit or if the spirit is a myth, then WT followers, both former and active, must eventually acknowledge either:

  • My own naïvety wholly contributed to my being easily duped by Watch Tower.

  • I deliberately began following Watch Tower with full knowledge that it is not God's spirit directed organization.

  So why not leave the onus upon Watch Tower in that while it may have at some point 'had the spirit' (as nebulous as that spirit may be) Watch Tower lost the spirit as a result of Watch Tower's own failures rendering Watch Tower in breach of duty; thus, by default, relieving you and me, holding us harmless, nullifying any and all obligations to Watch Tower, real or imagined; thereby granting us a free and clear departure out of Watch Tower, no fault of our own.
  One premise can heap blame upon self.
  The other premise allows us to blame Watch Tower.
  Watch Tower lost the spirit...
  Blame Watch Tower, not yourself.
  This is an important valid coping mechanism for those of us that have suffered stigma and abuse at the hands Watch Tower.
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  When did WT lose the spirit?

  by Smiles in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at what time would you say that the watch tower schema lost the spirit?.

  like the ancient nation of israel which struggled maintaining divine blessing due to a long series of grave errors that eventually culminated in definitive loss... how and when did watch tower lose the spirit?.

  can we pinpoint a time or event?.

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  Smiles

  At what time would you say that the Watch Tower schema lost the spirit?

  Like the ancient nation of Israel which struggled maintaining divine blessing due to a long series of grave errors that eventually culminated in definitive loss... How and when did Watch Tower lose the spirit?
  

  Can we pinpoint a time or event?

  • C.T. Russell failed predictions?
  • J.F. Rutherford power grab?
  • N.H. Knorr caste systems?
  • F.W. Franz false interpretations?
  • R.V. Franz ouster?
  • NGO membership in United Nations?
  • Rand Cam military tech investments?
  • R.C. Chitty homosexuality coverup?
  • Leo Greenlees homosexuality coverup?
  • Ted Jaracz rape scandal?
  • Global child sex abuse debacle?
  • Phony new GB actors?

  This is a serious question.

  Please do not reply with 'JWs never had the spirit'....

  This question rests on a premise that Watch Tower may have, at one time in the past, actually had the spirit, which is one reason that many of us may have initially followed the Watch Tower religion.

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  Alternate Jobs for the Governing Body..

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i’m not sure if this is in the right topic area or not, but sometimes i wonder:.

  if it were not for “religion”, what would the current gb do for a living??.

  my speculations:.

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  Smiles

  Cheers DD! We got a good laugh from all eight!

  GB secular employment based on real-world experience could also go this way, in same order:

  1 Morris:

  Janitorial First-Aid Box Manager III

  2 Herd

  Janitorial Graveyard Shift Supervisor

  3 Splane

  Janitorial Overlapping Shift Supervisor

  4 Lösch

  Janitorial Part-Time On-Call

  5 Lett

  Janitorial Sales Motivation

  6 Jackson

  Janitorial Overseas Call Center

  7 Cook

  Janitorial Assistant Helper, I

  8 Sanderson

  Janitorial Assistant Helper, II
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  My dad is now a ministerial servant tonight

  by Wagurl in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my dad just became mistrial servant should i move out i’m almost 18. what the hell should i do?

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  If it took 18 years after your birth for your father to be recommended as a congregation ministerial servant, he is not the finest witness in the cult, but that also means the congregation elders view your father's household as good exemplary JWs, so apparently you are not suspected as being spiritual weak or unruly.

  Your life will not change much now that your father is promoted as a lowly ministerial servant. So as others here have said, just keep doing whatever you were doing, and fake until you make it to your personal freedom, which should be only few more months.

  If you plan to stay at home and live under your father's roof for the financial benefits, you may eventually get some pressure if your spirituality slacks. But there are many baptized JW kids living double lives with enough fake spirituality to get by without a hassle from parents and congregation elders, but that is very risky for baptized JW kids. Unbaptized JW kids are untouchable, except for the constant pressure to commit in baptism.
  

  You're at the age now where you can begin to decide how to live your life.

  If possible, try to keep a good long-term relationship with your family.
  
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  15 yrs ago Jehovah needed $50 million for new printing presses

  by Hotpepper in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what happened to all those new printing presses?

  the wt said they were going to double the amount of mag's every month.

  i wonder what ever happened.

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  Smiles

  Maybe reassigned to a new field, or sold into Satan's world
  
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  JW Apostate DMCA Subpoena

  by Wakanda in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so, i want to share the entertainment i've enjoyed from lawful masses with leonard french, copyright attorney.

  he has made 4 videos on jw apostate's motion to quash(?

  ) the dmca subpoena from wt.

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  Smiles

  Wakanda

  Thank you for postings those educational videos.
  

  Proof that Watch Tower will go great lengths to take down whistleblower evidence.
  

  The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses order legalistic take down attacks against dissenters just like the governing religious leaders ordered legalistic take down attacks against Jesus.
  

  Wicked petty Watch Tower attempts to vindicate GB sovereignty above all else.

  The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are very humble men. Christ's brothers on earth.

  The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are champions of truth!
  

  The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses loves you!

  No?

  
  
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  Do You Believe Joe Biden Sexually Assaulted A Woman In The 90’s?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is an allegation floating around saying he assaulted one of his female staffers .

  most mainstream media do not report on this claim.

  they either don’t believe it or don’t want to believe it.. funny how if it were brett kavanaugh or donald trump, they would be all over it.

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  Off-color posts on this poorly placed thread seem like a sort of perverted sexual assault upon the reader.
  

  Stooping to sleazy remarks, and laughing about it, in the name of high political views...

  Hypocritical
  
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  My dad is now a ministerial servant tonight

  by Wagurl in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my dad just became mistrial servant should i move out i’m almost 18. what the hell should i do?

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  @Wagurl

  How many years has your father been "in the truth"?
  
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  Do You Believe Joe Biden Sexually Assaulted A Woman In The 90’s?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  there is an allegation floating around saying he assaulted one of his female staffers .

  most mainstream media do not report on this claim.

  they either don’t believe it or don’t want to believe it.. funny how if it were brett kavanaugh or donald trump, they would be all over it.

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  Why is this topic not posted in the Politics and Current Affairs section?

  This topic is not related to Jehovahs Witness or WatchTower society related and meeting new friends.

  How difficult would it have been to click it into the appropriate category?
  
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  Absolute proof world conditions are getting better

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this century vs. beginning of last century-.

  we had the great recession they had the great depression!.

  so far 125k dead.

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  Smiles

  Watch Tower will continue to portray facts to favor GB doctrine, induce psychological FOG.... and promote a "sense of urgency"
  

  "The End" is always "near" according to false prophets.... and Watch Tower.
  

  Several broods of Watch Tower GB have all claimed the end was "near"... but now those men are dead, and this latest bizarre batch of GB will eventually go the same way.... Yet the world will keep turning.
  

  Imagine what would happen to membership if the message was: "The end is probably coming after your lifetime!"
  

  The only way for doomsday cults to drum up new (overlapping) generations of victims is to boldly declare renewed conviction:

  "The End is Near!"