Posts by Smiles

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What's actually recorded in publisher record cards?

by optimisticskeptic in

it seems to be unclear if things like public or private reproofs and details around those events being recorded and traveling with you.

it seems like the details are largely part of whatever judicial paperwork there is and not necessarily attached to your publisher card permanently.

i changed congregations a few years ago and it appears the letter the body wrote only covered the most recent issue and said nothing of a reproof that had happened a few years prior.

Smiles

Publisher service records aka "publisher cards" contain mundane data as RTN described above, plus date of birth and any notes a publisher or pioneer may have voluntarily included on his/her monthly service, such as "illness" or "emergency LDC duties" being the cause for an uncharacteristically low hour or low production report.

Although some elders will stubbornly resist, any publisher may request to review his/her publisher service record data. (km 10/98 p.7 par.3) A typical print of a publisher's service record will include a simple spreadsheet of the most recent six months to one year of reported ministry activity.

A publisher or pioneer usually requests a print copy of his/her ministry service record to personally review their own "spiritual progress", or simply because one lost their personal calendar notebook. A few elder bodies have from time to time provided these spreadsheets to each publisher in the congregation (privately) to drum up a spirit of "self examination"... i.e, 'where can you improve in the ministry?'

Some of the most scandalous records pertaining to a given publisher or family are any "letters of introduction" which one body of congregation elders will transmit to another body of congregation elders when an individual publisher or family relocate to different congregation. Those letters are strictly confidential and often contain crafty remarks (above & beyond historical monthly sevice reports) which the receiving body of elders will typically accept as fact before consulting with the subject publisher or family, under the culty assumption that a fellow body of congregation elders would transmit only thoroughly investigated fact and truth.

Another source of scandalous records are applications for special service, which often include very sensitive information about the applicant's healthcare, finances, congregational standing and confidential (sometimes backstabbing) remarks from individual elders about those areas of the applicant's life.

The most notorious of publisher records are the official forms and other communications secretly exchanged between local congregation elders, circuit overseers, and departments of oversight within the main offices of Watch Tower corporations in regard to navigating deletion of personnel, scandals and legalities.

Without relentless legal subpoena or rogue leaks, most of that material will remain obscure to the courts and public society.

But, they will lovingly let you see a spreadsheet of your monthly sales timecard... Cheers!

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What Congregation Scandal Still Troubles You?

by Sea Breeze in

i was appointed as a regular pioneer in a certain congregation.

in that congregation, a very obese male pioneer seduced a nice looking married pioneer sister who had two teenage sons.

her husband was a ms. both were df'd.

Smiles

During the early 2000s, a married prominent elder, "Brother M", was disfellowshipped for adultery with the wife of his buddy. That elder's innocent wife, who was known to be a stern woman, was subjected to more blame than her adulterous husband because it was learned that she had a pattern of "withholding sexual relations" from him, effectively driving him toward adulterous conduct as a result deliberate deprivation of marital relations. Because his wife shared some blame for his succumbing, she did reluctantly forgive him, and they remain married to this day. The same cannot be said for the other marriage, that of his innocent buddy; she was disfellowshipped, promptly divorced, and left the faith. The adulterous elder was reinstated after a short time, and is now serving as coordinator of the elder body in that same congregation where he had been disfellowshipped years earlier.

In the 1990s, a similar scandal occurred at a different congregation. The body of elders learned that a younger married couple in the congregation was experiencing marital discord, so two elders volunteered to offer a shepherding visit. The young couple accepted a few shepherding visits from that pair of elders but the marital problems continued. The husband stopped attending meetings and ministry, however his wife and young children continued active with the congregation albeit irregular, so she received ongoing shepherding attention which eventually involved one of those original shepherding elders, "Brother W", providing comforting phone calls and one-on-one visits. She voluntarily confessed to those one-on-one shepherding visits escalating into a complete sexual encounter with the elder. She was not disfellowshipped, only publicly reproved, primarily because she had been sexually exploited by the predatory elder, and because she voluntarily stepped forward to confess. Her marriage ended by divorce. She managed to stay active with the congregation for awhile but soon thereafter left the faith. The elder was disfellowshipped because he had concealed the adulterous wrongdoing until confronted with her confession. The elder's wife forgave him. Later, after multiple written requests for reinstatement over the years, he was eventually welcomed back into the organization, now serving again as an elder in a congregation several hours away from that scandal hometown.

We all make mistakes that we would like to overcome in life, but JWs teach that their leadership is especially appointed by God's holy spirit because that leadership meets lofty scriptural qualifications, so discovering the dirt about their double standards is troubling, and often raises the first big doubts...

Anthony Morris scotch bottles...

Theodore Jaracz rape allegation...

Scandals, whether small town drama or WT top brass, trouble many good people right out of the faith.

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When did WT lose the spirit?

by Smiles in

at what time would you say that the watch tower schema lost the spirit?.

like the ancient nation of israel which struggled maintaining divine blessing due to a long series of grave errors that eventually culminated in definitive loss... how and when did watch tower lose the spirit?.

can we pinpoint a time or event?.

Smiles

Problem with quickly claiming WT never had the spirit, or that the spirit is a myth:

Sweeping overgeneralizations as those are usually not successful in helping PIMI to accept the truth about "the truth". PIMI are better helped to shift toward PIMO & POMO through small doses of exposé... factual events where Watch Tower failed to be "God's spirit directed organization."

Another problem with claiming Watch Tower never had the spirit or that the spirit is a myth:

Such claims raise more questions about the claimant than it does about Watch Tower itself.

Probably the only persons that can make such a claim with any real validity are persons that were never associated with Watch Tower, or those that instantly detected Watch Tower failures and then immediately rejected Watch Tower.

If an active or former JW were to claim, as some have done here, that WT never had the spirit, or that the spirit is a myth, either claim would place the onus upon their own shoulders as to why he or she ever joined and followed Watch Tower while purporting itself to be "God's spirit directed organization."
If WT never had the spirit or if the spirit is a myth, then WT followers, both former and active, must eventually acknowledge either:

My own naïvety wholly contributed to my being easily duped by Watch Tower.

I deliberately began following Watch Tower with full knowledge that it is not God's spirit directed organization.

So why not leave the onus upon Watch Tower in that while it may have at some point 'had the spirit' (as nebulous as that spirit may be) Watch Tower lost the spirit as a result of Watch Tower's own failures rendering Watch Tower in breach of duty; thus, by default, relieving you and me, holding us harmless, nullifying any and all obligations to Watch Tower, real or imagined; thereby granting us a free and clear departure out of Watch Tower, no fault of our own.
One premise can heap blame upon self.
The other premise allows us to blame Watch Tower.
Watch Tower lost the spirit...
Blame Watch Tower, not yourself.
This is an important valid coping mechanism for those of us that have suffered stigma and abuse at the hands Watch Tower.

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When did WT lose the spirit?

by Smiles in

at what time would you say that the watch tower schema lost the spirit?.

like the ancient nation of israel which struggled maintaining divine blessing due to a long series of grave errors that eventually culminated in definitive loss... how and when did watch tower lose the spirit?.

can we pinpoint a time or event?.

Smiles

At what time would you say that the Watch Tower schema lost the spirit?

Like the ancient nation of Israel which struggled maintaining divine blessing due to a long series of grave errors that eventually culminated in definitive loss... How and when did Watch Tower lose the spirit?

Can we pinpoint a time or event?

C.T. Russell failed predictions?
J.F. Rutherford power grab?
N.H. Knorr caste systems?
F.W. Franz false interpretations?
R.V. Franz ouster?
NGO membership in United Nations?
Rand Cam military tech investments?
R.C. Chitty homosexuality coverup?
Leo Greenlees homosexuality coverup?
Ted Jaracz rape scandal?
Global child sex abuse debacle?
Phony new GB actors?

This is a serious question.

Please do not reply with 'JWs never had the spirit'....

This question rests on a premise that Watch Tower may have, at one time in the past, actually had the spirit, which is one reason that many of us may have initially followed the Watch Tower religion.

When did Watch Tower lose the spirit?

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Alternate Jobs for the Governing Body..

by DATA-DOG in

jw
friends

i’m not sure if this is in the right topic area or not, but sometimes i wonder:.

if it were not for “religion”, what would the current gb do for a living??.

my speculations:.

Smiles

Cheers DD! We got a good laugh from all eight!

GB secular employment based on real-world experience could also go this way, in same order:

1 Morris:

Janitorial First-Aid Box Manager III

2 Herd

Janitorial Graveyard Shift Supervisor

3 Splane

Janitorial Overlapping Shift Supervisor

4 Lösch

Janitorial Part-Time On-Call

5 Lett

Janitorial Sales Motivation

6 Jackson

Janitorial Overseas Call Center

7 Cook

Janitorial Assistant Helper, I

8 Sanderson

Janitorial Assistant Helper, II

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My dad is now a ministerial servant tonight

by Wagurl in

my dad just became mistrial servant should i move out i’m almost 18. what the hell should i do?

.

Smiles

If it took 18 years after your birth for your father to be recommended as a congregation ministerial servant, he is not the finest witness in the cult, but that also means the congregation elders view your father's household as good exemplary JWs, so apparently you are not suspected as being spiritual weak or unruly.

Your life will not change much now that your father is promoted as a lowly ministerial servant. So as others here have said, just keep doing whatever you were doing, and fake until you make it to your personal freedom, which should be only few more months.

If you plan to stay at home and live under your father's roof for the financial benefits, you may eventually get some pressure if your spirituality slacks. But there are many baptized JW kids living double lives with enough fake spirituality to get by without a hassle from parents and congregation elders, but that is very risky for baptized JW kids. Unbaptized JW kids are untouchable, except for the constant pressure to commit in baptism.

You're at the age now where you can begin to decide how to live your life.

If possible, try to keep a good long-term relationship with your family.

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15 yrs ago Jehovah needed $50 million for new printing presses

by Hotpepper in

what happened to all those new printing presses?

the wt said they were going to double the amount of mag's every month.

i wonder what ever happened.

Smiles

Maybe reassigned to a new field, or sold into Satan's world

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JW Apostate DMCA Subpoena

by Wakanda in

so, i want to share the entertainment i've enjoyed from lawful masses with leonard french, copyright attorney.

he has made 4 videos on jw apostate's motion to quash(?

) the dmca subpoena from wt.

Smiles

Wakanda

Thank you for postings those educational videos.

Proof that Watch Tower will go great lengths to take down whistleblower evidence.

The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses order legalistic take down attacks against dissenters just like the governing religious leaders ordered legalistic take down attacks against Jesus.

Wicked petty Watch Tower attempts to vindicate GB sovereignty above all else.

The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are very humble men. Christ's brothers on earth.

The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are champions of truth!

The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses loves you!

No?

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Do You Believe Joe Biden Sexually Assaulted A Woman In The 90’s?

by minimus in

jw
friends

there is an allegation floating around saying he assaulted one of his female staffers .

most mainstream media do not report on this claim.

they either don’t believe it or don’t want to believe it.. funny how if it were brett kavanaugh or donald trump, they would be all over it.

Smiles

Off-color posts on this poorly placed thread seem like a sort of perverted sexual assault upon the reader.

Stooping to sleazy remarks, and laughing about it, in the name of high political views...

Hypocritical

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My dad is now a ministerial servant tonight

by Wagurl in

my dad just became mistrial servant should i move out i’m almost 18. what the hell should i do?

.

Smiles

@Wagurl

How many years has your father been "in the truth"?