I read your site. I am familiar with the Tacoma parking scandal. It was mentioned in a few settings and many thought it was just APOSTATES making problems. Just goes to show how the Witnesses will blind themselves to anything wrong, as long as their is the SOCIETY stamp of approval on it. When I read accounts, like yours, I get that sick feeling in my stomach. I don't know if I should wish that the Witnesses disappear, or be glad that those who harm others have a HELL on earth setting to burn in. In any case, I am glad that I am no longer in the Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Change your world...
by VeniceIT ini know there are soo many new people on this board in the past year or so, and i haven't been posting a whole lot lately i've been busy with school and what not, but i did want to kind of give a bit of an update and hopefully some encouragement for those that are in the process of leaving the borg, and have left friends and family behind.
in the summer of 2000 my entire world shattered around me.
for more details you can click here.
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What Did You Hate About The Circuit OV.'s Visit?
by minimus ini think that there a number of things about the circuit overseer's visit that stinks!
one thing that i hated was how all the elders got together to "shepherd" the flock right before the co's visit.....what bothered you about the week long visit??
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I disliked all the extra-phony behavior of people acting like everyone got along so well. Suddenly you would see people shaking hands and speaking to people they have ignored for months. Then there were the submarine Witnesses that surfaced for the visit, and no one was allowed to say, "Where you been?" The CO would then make comments like, "your congregation seems to be doing very well, and is very loving." To which I always wanted too stand-up and say to everyone, "You should have been here last week, or last month! These people are just putting on an act for you."
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Millions now living, expect to be DA'd
by cyberguy innew strategy to da/df millions who have left.
i'm wondering if there isn't a new policy of da'ing all those who no longer attend or are inactive "publishers" (find that in the bible!).
i've read a number of threads on this board whereby people are now being hunted-down, nazi-fashion, if when queried, "are you one of jw?
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I don't know why there's this directive, but I'm just reporting what I've heard!
They are trying to cover-up, what has long been seen as a gray area. They suspect that inactive ones are still talking to the active, and might be a source of trouble in the congregation. Basically, they are searching out the problems they see in the organization and this is just one they think is possible.
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Songs stuck in the head
by whyhideit inyou ever get a weird song stuck in your head.
this one always comes out from time to time, and i have no clue why.
why would my witness parents play this song and allow it into the minds of their children.
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You ever get a weird song stuck in your head. This one always comes out from time to time, and I have no clue why. Why would my Witness parents play this song and allow it into the minds of their children. Do you have any songs like this? I have to admit, I know this song by heart. LOL
"The Battle of New Orleans"
In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans.
CHORUS:We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin.
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to runnin' on
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.We looked down the river and we see'd the British come.
And there must have been a hundred of'em beatin' on the drum.
They stepped so high and they made the bugles ring.
We stood by our cotton bales and didn't say a thing.
CHORUS
Old Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise
If we didn't fire our muskets 'til we looked 'em in the eye
We held our fire 'til we see'd their faces well.
Then we opened up with squirrel guns and really gave 'em ... wellCHORUS
Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.
We fired our cannon 'til the barrel melted down.
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round.
We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind
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Who believes in Ghosts?
by El Kabong ini watched a movie on tv the other night called "the others" with nicole kidman.
it got me thinking about ghosts.
of course, my jw thinking automatically kicks in and tells me that its.........come on, you all know the answer.......demons.
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EL and Robdar
I just used Paintbrush and it worked.
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Is Christmas Pagan or Christian?
by whyhideit inas the christmas holiday approaches, it brings out the comments from my witness family members to attempt to belittle our practice of enjoying the holiday.
when we first left the jehovah's witnesses and decided to celebrate christmas, we still considered ourselves to be christians.
so the argument of choice from our relatives was, "how can you call yourself christians and celebrate such a pagan holiday.
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This is kind of a interesting article on how wedding traditions started with Pagan beginnings.
Origins of Wedding Traditions
The first marriages were by capture, i.e., the groom would kidnap the woman, and take her away from her tribe with the help of a warrior friend, his best man, who would help him fight off other men who wanted this woman, and also help him prevent her family from finding them. The groom would put himself and his bride into hiding, the honeymoon, and by the time the brides family found them, the bride would already be pregnant. When the groom fought off other warriors who also wanted his bride, he would hold onto her with his left hand, while fighting them off with his sword in his right hand, which is why the bride stands on the left, and the groom on the right.
Although the above was common, marriage by purchase was preferred. Usually the bride would be bartered for land, social status, or political alliances, but sometimes she was exchanged for cash. The Anglo-Saxon word "wedd" meant that the groom would vow to marry the woman, but it also meant the money or barter that the groom paid the brides father. A wedding, then, literally meant the purchase of a bride for breeding purposes. The word wedding comes from a root word meaning to gamble or wager.
There were also arranged marriages, where the grooms family told him who he was to marry, and they very rarely let him see the bride because if he didnt like her looks, he may refuse to marry her. Therefore, the father of the bride gave the bride away to the groom, who lifted the opaque veil to see her for the first time. This is also the origin of the custom of the bride and groom not seeing each other on the wedding day.
Tying The Knot
The expression "tie the knot" comes from Roman times when the bride wore a girdle that was tied in knots which the groom had the fun of untying.
Engagement Rings
Diamond engagement rings were given by medieval Italians, because of their belief that the diamond was created from the flames of love.
Bachelor Party & Showers
Ancient Spartan soldiers were the first to hold stag parties. The groom would feast with his male friends on the night before the wedding. There he would say goodbye to the carefree days of bachelorhood and swear continued allegiance to his comrades.
Bridal showers were also meant to strengthen the friendships between the bride and her friends, give her moral support, and help her prepare for her marriage. The idea to give gifts is fairly new, dating from the 1890s. At one shower, the brides friend placed small gifts inside a Japanese parasol, and then opened it over the brides head so all of the presents would "shower" over her. When word of this hit the fashion pages, people were so charmed, they decided to do the same at their showers.
Bridesmaids & Groomsmen
The bridal party has many origins, one of which comes from the Anglo Saxon days. When the groom was about to capture his bride, he needed the help of his friends, the "bridesmen" or "brideknights". They would make sure the bride got to the church and to the grooms house afterwards. The bride also had women to help her, the "bridesmaids" or "brideswomen".
The White Wedding Dress
The white wedding dress was made popular by Anne of Brittany in 1499. Before that, a woman just wore her best dress. In ancient days, blue (not white) represented purity, and the bride and groom would wear a blue band around the bottom of their wedding attire, hence something blue.
Tossing the Bouquet & Garter
In the 14th century, having a piece of the brides clothing was thought to bring good fortune. In order to obtain a piece of this lucky attire, guests would grab at the wedding dress and tear off pieces of it, leaving the dress in tatters. In order to stop this practice, brides began throwing items at the guests. One of these items was the garter belt. Today, it is usually the Groom who removes and tosses the garter to the unmarried men in attendance, while the Bride tosses her bouquet to the unmarried women. Those that catch either item are said to be the next to marry. In some instances, it is said that they will marry each other.
There have been a few different interpretations of the luck of the garter belt. In some cases, it was considered luck to be able to hold onto a piece of the brides clothing, and she would throw the garter. In other cases, it was lucky for the single men attending the wedding. It was a symbol, which allowed single men to share in the fortune (good luck) of the groom who would throw it.
Wedding Rings
It is unknown when wedding rings were first worn. They were probably made of a strong metal, like iron so that it wouldnt break easily which would have been a very bad omen. The ancient Romans believed that the vein in the third finger ran directly to the heart, so wearing the ring on that finger joined the couples hearts and destiny.
The Wedding Cake
Wedding just wouldnt be complete without fertility symbols, like the wedding cake. Ancient Romans would bake a cake made of wheat or barley and break it over the brides head as a symbol of her fertility. It became tradition to pile up several small cakes, one on top of the other, as high as they could, and the bride and groom would kiss over the tower and try not to knock it down. If they were successful, it meant a lifetime of prosperity. During the reign of King Charles II of England, it became customary to turn this cake into an enjoyably edible palace, iced with white sugar.
Tying old shoes to the back of the Couples car
The tradition of tying old shoes to the back of the Couples car stems from Tudor times when guests would throw shoes at the Bride & Groom, with great luck being bestowed on them if they or their carriage were hit!
In Anglo Saxon times the Bride was symbolically struck with a shoe by her Groom to establish his authority. Brides would then throw shoes at their bridesmaids to see who would marry next.
Something Old, Something New, Something Borrowed, Something Blue and a Silver Sixpence in her Shoe
This rhyme originated in Victorian times. Something Old signifies that the Couples friends will stay with them. In one version of the tradition the Something Old was an old garter which was given to the bride by a happily married woman so that the new bride would also enjoy a happy marriage. Something New looks to the future for health, happiness and success. Something Borrowed is an opportunity for the Brides family to give her something as a token of their love (it must be returned to ensure Good Luck), and Something Blue is lucky because Blue represents fidelity and constancy. The custom began in ancient Israel where brides wore a blue ribbon in their hair to symbolize their fidelity. A sixpence was placed in the shoe to bring the couple wealth in their married life. Some brides still place a penny in their shoe during the marriage ceremony.
Flowers
Flowers have always been a big feature at Weddings. The Groom is supposed to wear a flower that appears in the Bridal Bouquet in his button-hole. This stems from the Medieval tradition of a Knight wearing his Ladys colors, as a declaration of his love. Each flower has its own meaning and can display a special message. Orange Blossom, for instance, signifies chastity, purity and loveliness, while red chrysanthemum means " I love you "
The Time & The Place
Sunday used to be the most popular wedding day, as it was the one day most people were free from work. Puritans in the Seventeenth Century put a stop to this, however, believing it was improper to be festive on the Sabbath. Today, Saturdays are the busiest, despite the rhyme.
Monday for health, Tuesday for wealth, Wednesday best of all, Thursday for losses, Friday for crosses, Saturday for no luck at all.
As for the time of year, the saying Marry in the month of May, and youll live to rue the day dates back to Pagan times. May, the start of summer, was dedicated to outdoor orgies (i.e. the summer festival Beltane), hardly the best way to begin married life! Queen Victoria is said to have banned her children from marrying in May, and Nineteenth Century Vicars were rushed off their feet on April 30th because Brides refused to marry during May. The sun has always been associated with sexual stimulation and, therefore future fertility. In Scotland it was traditional for the Bride to walk with the sun, proceeding from east to west on the south side of the church and then circling the Church three times sunwise for good luck.
Married when the year is new, hell be loving, kind & true.
When February birds do mate, You wed nor dread your fate.
If you wed when March winds blow, joy and sorrow both youll know.
Marry in April when you can, Joy for Maiden & for Man.
Marry in the month of May, and youll surely rue the day.
Marry when June roses grow, over land and sea youll go.
Those who in July do wed, must labor for their daily bread.
Whoever wed in August be, many a change is sure to see.
Marry in Septembers shrine, your living will be rich and fine.
If in October you do marry, love will come but riches tarry.
If you wed in bleak November, only joys will come, remember.
When December snows fall fast, marry and true love will last.
Food for Thought
The Wedding Cake was originally lots of little wheat cakes that were broken over the Brides head to bestow good luck and fertility. Todays three tier Wedding Cake is based on the unusual shape of the spire of Saint Brides Church in London. Traditionally the newly-weds should make the first cut to signify sharing their life. Every guest than eats a crumb to ensure good luck. And sleeping with a piece under her pillow is said to make a single woman dream of her future husband. The giving of almond favors is connected with the motto: A gift of five almonds represents health, wealth, long life, fertility and happiness. The throwing of confetti, meanwhile is an ancient fertility rite. Handfuls of grain or nuts were traditionally thrown because they are life-giving seeds. In some European countries, eggs are thrown instead.
Get me to the Church
Walking was thought to be the best way of getting to Church, as theres more chance of spotting lucky omens. Seeing a rainbow, having the sun shine on the Bride and meeting a black cat or a chimney sweep are all lucky.
Bad omens include seeing a pig, hare or lizard running across the road, or spotting an open grave. Make sure the road is clear on Monks or Nuns too, they foretell
barrenness and a life dependent on charity.
Coming home from Church can be equally hazardous. Tradition dictates the new wife must enter her home by the main door and, to avoid bad luck, must never trip or fall - hence the custom that a bride should be carried over the threshold.
Dressing Up
Until the Nineteen Hundreds Brides hardly ever bought a special Wedding Dress, opting for their best outfit instead. Green was always avoided, as it was though to be unlucky. To say a girl had a green gown also implied that she was of loose morals, because her dress would be grass-stained due to rolling around in the fields! Hence Marry in Green, ashamed to be seen. White Dresses were made popular by Queen Victoria, who broke the tradition of royals marrying in Silver. Symbolizing purity and virginity, white was also thought to ward off evil spirits. Other traditions are that the bride should never make her own dress, that the final stitch should not be completed until she is departing for the Church and that she should never try on the entire outfit before the day. This was because it was felt dangerous for the Bride to count her chickens. For the same reason, a Bride should never practice signing her new name until it is legally hers, and wedding linen was marked with the Brides maiden rather than married initials. The tradition of Bridesmaids is evolved from the custom of surrounding the Bride with other richly dressed women, in order to confuse evil spirits.
Married in White, you have chosen right,
Married in Grey, you will go far away,
Married in Black, you will wish yourself back,
Married in Red, you will wish yourself dead,
Married in Green, ashamed to be seen,
Married in Blue, you will always be true,
Married in Pearl, you will live in a whirl,
Married in Yellow, ashamed of your fellow,
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Who believes in Ghosts?
by El Kabong ini watched a movie on tv the other night called "the others" with nicole kidman.
it got me thinking about ghosts.
of course, my jw thinking automatically kicks in and tells me that its.........come on, you all know the answer.......demons.
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Robdar,
Take your photo and invert the colors. Something really cool kind of appears, that was not seen in the normal color version. The spot all appear above each grave, in exact spacing. The mist hovers in a large face like shape. Check it out, I have done research on this this type of photography phenomenon and this technique works a lot.
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This is unRAEL
by donkey inanyone followed the raelians?
i find them fascinating.
http://www.rael.org.
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There was a movie in the 80's called "the God's must be crazy." In which a African tribe finds a Pepsi bottle that is dropped from a plane. Instantly they see it as a gift from the Gods and worship and use it. Soon though they start harming each other with it, and they decide that it is not a gift they really want and they decided to return it to the Gods in a quest to the end of the earth.
I bring this movie up, as it shows a example of modern technology, as it would be viewed by a primitive human. What we call planes, might be chariots to them. What we call lasers, would be bolts of divine lightening. The list could go on and on. As a matter of consideration, this subject was even covered in a Star Trek episode once. Where a space ship crashed on a planet, and on board was a book on Chicago gangster. Because the people who had it, were advanced compared to them, they worshiped all of the book as if it was a message from God and worthy of worship.
Basically, we can not underestimate how a primitive human would have seen and described a UFO or advanced technology and wonder what that interpretation could have lead to in the religion department of culture. It is not something to say, "this is how it happened." Rather it is just a "what if?"
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This is unRAEL
by donkey inanyone followed the raelians?
i find them fascinating.
http://www.rael.org.
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With the education of the human race, it becomes harder to accept that someone or something is of divine origin. Yet if I wrote something now and said it was the word of God, people would make fun of it and discredit it on all points. Then a thousand years from now, someone might find it and suddenly it will mean something to them and those people will see it as holy writings. Basically, had Paul, Moses, Matthew or Peter wrote their books today. They would have been discredited on all fronts. Because they wrote them thousands of years ago, and generation after generation accepted them as inspired. We as a culture now accept that, as well. Such is the example of all holy books, not just the bible, of our time.
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phone call from witness
by livingagain ini got a phone call from a jw i met when i moved here 10 months ago.
she always sat by herself in the hall and looked so out of it.
well one meeting i mentioned clients and she asked me what kind of clients and i went on th tell her i worked with mental health.
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I compare what happened to you, to the zeal we showed to non-Witness relatives when we first became Jehovah's Witnesses. In the beginning all we wanted to do is talk religion and show them all that they did was wrong. We would hit them with a shot gun of information and all it did was blow them back a few feet, and they ran away. In time we learned, and this lesson works in several parts of life, that only saying a little in the beginning works better. That way the lines of communication remain open, and you can still plant the information you want to share. Funny some times, how those tactics learned in the Kingdom Hall, can be used against them.
Edited by - whyhideit on 22 December 2002 17:12:22