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  After the death of a spouse, how long did people wait to get remarried?

  by RubaDub in

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  i was on the phone with a long-time friend from my original congregation north of new york city and she told me that the 'shit hit the fan' when a brother (long-time elder i know well) got remarried about 6 weeks after his wife died.. he was about 60 and his new wife (a pioneer that i also know) was about 50 and had never been married.. it became a huge issue when the co came.

  due to all the talk and chatter in the congregation, he even included in one of his talks without naming names, that marriage is something sacred and that when and how people get married is a personal matter as long as it conforms to bible standards.. anyway, it shut everybody up.

  any similar experiences in your current/former congregations?.

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  joe134cd

  Yeah I don’t know either. Was it that GB member who just died.
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  After the death of a spouse, how long did people wait to get remarried?

  by RubaDub in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was on the phone with a long-time friend from my original congregation north of new york city and she told me that the 'shit hit the fan' when a brother (long-time elder i know well) got remarried about 6 weeks after his wife died.. he was about 60 and his new wife (a pioneer that i also know) was about 50 and had never been married.. it became a huge issue when the co came.

  due to all the talk and chatter in the congregation, he even included in one of his talks without naming names, that marriage is something sacred and that when and how people get married is a personal matter as long as it conforms to bible standards.. anyway, it shut everybody up.

  any similar experiences in your current/former congregations?.

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  joe134cd

  6 weeks dose seem a bit of a short grieving process. One dose have wonder if something was perhaps going on before the former wife passed away. I feel it’s a bit disrespectful to the deceased.
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  Montana News

  by AuntBee in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/montana/articles/2020-01-08/court-reverses-35m-verdict-against-jehovahs-witnesses.

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  joe134cd

  Damn it, they slithered off the hook.
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  LDS membership figures inadvertently supports Wt as been true and accurate

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it not only reflects, but it would verify that wt statistics are true and accurate.

  herein, are my reasons why.. lds general conference, which is the equivalent of the jw memorial, has an attendance of around 20 million ( that's people, who physically turn up).

  however, the people choosing this online option is the unknown in this equation.. lets now look at 2 different scenarios for lds general conference to see how this compares to the jws: .

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  joe134cd

  Mormon membership reflects that of the JWs! It not only reflects, but it would verify that Wt statistics are true and accurate. Herein, are my reasons why.

  LDS general conference, which is the equivalent of the JW memorial, has an attendance of around 20 million ( that's people, who physically turn up). The church also allows live streaming for those who can't be physically present. However, the people choosing this online option is the unknown in this equation.

  Lets now look at 2 different scenarios for LDS general conference to see how this compares to the JWs:

  Scenario 1- has a physical attendance of 20 mill, with a further 10 million choosing to view it on line. Therefore, 1/3 attendees were unaccounted for as not being physically present. The total attendance figure of 30 million people.

  Scenario 2 - also has a physical attendance of 20 million, with a further 20 million viewing on line. That been 1/2 of the attendees been unaccounted for, due to not been physically there. The total attendance been 40 million people.

  Now before we all get carried away, and use this to prove how ineffective the JW preaching work has been because the Mormon's are so much bigger. There are a few things we need to be aware of regarding these totals:

  *The 30 and 40 million totals, would be a maximum rather than a minimum. The same could also be said for the 20 mill memorial attendees, been a higher rather than a lower figure. So let's say, for arguments sake, that the total was between the 2 scenarios at 35 million.

  *One could also speculate that if the JWs also allowed live streaming of their annual event weather they could produce a similar figure to that of the LDS. This is the unknown in the equation.

  *The counting methods, and the definition of what a member is, varies quite widely between the two faiths.

  It has been estimated that the activity rates for the Mormon church could be as low as 33%. Therefore, 35 million attendees x 33% = 11.55 million people ,who at the very least, attend LDS church services once a week.

  The point is this. when the LDS (11.5 million) is measured against the JW 8.7 average publishers. They are totally in range of each other, and totally logical. This is assuming that there were, in fact, 35 million LDS attendees. If anything, this would lend support that Wt is, in fact, telling the truth about its membership. These are, after all, to groups facing similar problems. The 2.8 million variance can easily be explained away, by the fact, that the Mormon church was established 50 years before Wt. If for example the LDS figure was indeed 11.5 mill, but the JW peak publisher rate was 40 million, one could justifiably have doubts. This just isn't the case.
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  Current JW growth in the United States in historical perspective and in comparison with other groups

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  current jw growth is slower than during most of their history.

  the only probable exceptions are following 1975 when there was a brief worldwide decrease, the late 1920s when around half of the members left the movement, perhaps around the 1917 schism, and various schisms during russell’s time.

  there were also periods of sluggish growth during the 1950/60s and around 2000. .

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  Slim - let’s just say that the 20 million LDS members physically turned up to general conference. If you add on another 10 million who chose to stay at home and watch it on TV ( 20 + 10 = 30 million in total attendance, or 1/3 chose to not physically show up). If you account for the 33% engagement factor, which would be 10 million. This isn’t to far of from what the JWs are anyway. To be honest I really don’t think there would be to much in it, with membership numbers.

  Then the question has to be asked? If the JWs were to allow their members to attend the memorial by TV link up if they would also produce the same numbers.

  If anything I think the lds attendance at general conference would kind of support the notion that Wt is been honest in its membership numbers, and isn’t cooking the books.
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  Current JW growth in the United States in historical perspective and in comparison with other groups

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  current jw growth is slower than during most of their history.

  the only probable exceptions are following 1975 when there was a brief worldwide decrease, the late 1920s when around half of the members left the movement, perhaps around the 1917 schism, and various schisms during russell’s time.

  there were also periods of sluggish growth during the 1950/60s and around 2000. .

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  I apologise, but haven’t read all the posts. As a rough gauge for the LDS. Their general conference ( which is comparable to the JW memorial), they have an attendance of 20 million. When you factor in estimations that it is only 33% of that figure are active mormons. The JWs could not only have a bigger, but more active, membership than the LDS’
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  Changes In Canada

  by LetTheTruthBeKnown in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am surprised no one has mentioned what is going on in canada.. maybe they have but i missed it.

  so here are some of the facts as i know them.

  ontario only.. sault st. marie had their six congregations whittled down to two.

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  joe134cd

  I wish they would start down sizing and selling off here in the local area. This might be just the recipe to wake a few of them up.
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  Happy Alcoholic Jehovah's Witnesses

  by The Bethelite in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  for many years since the witness organization, after i have told people that i'm no longer a jehovah's witness, people would say "oh the religion were people are not allowed to drink!".

  "no they drink alright.....they can't do much of anything else but they do drink!".

  in fact the first place i ever got drunk was bethel.

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  You can add Hayden Covington to the list of 2. Was Watchtower’s lawyer, was set to become president of WTBTS, and was a raging chronic alcoholic as well.
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  Dating within JW's

  by 720Reddog in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how was dating in your congregation?.

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  joe134cd

  I’m glad I never married while a JW. I’m still currently single. I am slowing accepting my situation in life, and am happy that I can do what I like when I like.
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  Creepy "Caleb & Sofia" Dolls On eBay

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so i'm on ebay looking for old jw books and i see this crap.... .

  i think some cheap person has taken poundland dolls, put kids clothes on them and have the cheek to flog them for $73.60 (plus shipping).. for one, they look nothing like them.

  and two, how creepy are these?!!

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  joe134cd

  Anything for a buck.