Like I said it all comes down to documentation. The proof is in the pudding.
joe134cd
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Lawsuit: I said GB member Barr that my Bethelite stepfather abused me; he did nothing
by Corney inhere's an excerpt from the recent lawsuit deborah hines v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york et al (paragraphs 158-180), one of 29 known cases brought against the org pursuant to the ny child victims act.
what should be kept in mind is that gerrit lösch apparently worked in europe (the austrian branch and eastern europe) at the time when the abuse was allegedly reported to him (not a gb member then).. plaintiff was raised a member of the jehovah’s witnesses.
she primarily attended meetings at various congregations in arizona.
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Is this New Light coming or just some crackpot?
by pistolpete inthis experience was posted about a year ago.
it seems like a crackpot co was giving his prediction of what "might possibly happen in the future" .
now it seems like he wasn't such a crackpot after all.. quote.
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I wanted to add, that this explanation would end the 1914 last days doctrine.
If he got up and gave that explanation for a generation in a public talk. He would, very quickly, find himself in front of a judicial committee facing accusations of apostasy.
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Lawsuit: I said GB member Barr that my Bethelite stepfather abused me; he did nothing
by Corney inhere's an excerpt from the recent lawsuit deborah hines v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york et al (paragraphs 158-180), one of 29 known cases brought against the org pursuant to the ny child victims act.
what should be kept in mind is that gerrit lösch apparently worked in europe (the austrian branch and eastern europe) at the time when the abuse was allegedly reported to him (not a gb member then).. plaintiff was raised a member of the jehovah’s witnesses.
she primarily attended meetings at various congregations in arizona.
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If there is a paper trail of this. Wt is toast.
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Unfaithful spouse
by Worstfear inmy wife and i have been together for 12 years.
married for 6. she was born into the truth, i studied for 2 years before we got married.
we would attend meetings on a weekly basis, go to conventions, and memorial every year.
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joe134cd
Throw her arse under the bus and report her to the elders. Then lawyer up, and protect those assets you have worked hard for.
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Are you still a JW?
by Iamallcool inwhich one do you prefer?
zoom meetings or at the kingdom hall?
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joe134cd
If I was still physically going. I’d prefer Zoom as it would be easier to detach from. Just turn the camera off and fo what you want. Come back shortly before the meeting ends and no one is the wiser.
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Interview with James Beverley on JWs
by dropoffyourkeylee ini just watched a video of an interview with james beverley entitled 'why jehovah's witness are losing members'.
i thought it pretty good, although there are a few misstatements.
here is a link:.
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joe134cd
To know it you have to live it
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JWs are bigger and more successful than the Mormon church
by joe134cd injust saw the following you tube video.
it’s 3 hours long, but thoroughly interesting.
if you want to save yourself 3 hours, basically the active mormon church is about 3 million.
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Vanderhoven7: You have missed the whole point. At least read the email that I have cut and pasted from an ex Mormon bishop, Simon Southerton. You need to watch the the video that was initially posted. That 16.5 million is so inflated it’s almost laughable. The example was given of the pacific nation of Tonga. With the counting methods used by the church, there can only be two outcomes.
(1)Tonga could end up having more affiliated mormons, than what are alive on the island.
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(2) The lds has got a massive problem with apostasy with its members leaving to join with another Christian denomination.
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JWs are bigger and more successful than the Mormon church
by joe134cd injust saw the following you tube video.
it’s 3 hours long, but thoroughly interesting.
if you want to save yourself 3 hours, basically the active mormon church is about 3 million.
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joe134cd
I totally agree with you. Here are some quotes, I’ve heard from the past, that would sum up what you have said.
The bonnets may be different but the engines are the same.
Mormons are more fanciful but JWs are more dangerous.
Mormons are JWs weirder older cousins.
Doctrine aside, I agree that the JWs are more destructive. There would be few here that would disagree. Based on life style I would actually choose to be Mormon. My life may of turned out much different to what it is now.
Despite the “JW world view been more dangerous” wouldnt this be testimony to how well they have taken their message to the world. I suppose a measure of loyalty that it’s members have to a cause, even if it is wrong.
The point I was trying to make here isn’t, how a like or not a like they are. It’s a matter of membership. I think it’s been clearly demonstrated that the JWs have a bigger, more active and engaged membership. It’s impressive when compared to other more established and wealthy organisations, who by rights should have a bigger and more loyal customer base. This is simply not the case. Hare and tortoise really.
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JWs are bigger and more successful than the Mormon church
by joe134cd injust saw the following you tube video.
it’s 3 hours long, but thoroughly interesting.
if you want to save yourself 3 hours, basically the active mormon church is about 3 million.
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Ok I E-mailed Simon Southerton ( the person been interviewed in the video. Below is his response. I am posting this with his permission.<[email protected]> wrote:Hi Joe
I'm glad you got in touch.
I have watched the decline of the LDS Church with fascination for 20+ years. It genuinely pleases me to see its decline because it is one of the most damaging cults on earth, in terms of ripping families apart. For several years I have believed the JWs take out top spot on that shameful league table, because there are far more active JWs than Mormons. I'm glad you have escaped it. Scientology does more damage to individual families, but there are so few of them they hardly rate a mention.I have received a huge amount of feedback from exmormons and attending Mormons since I posted about this a few weeks ago. You might enjoy reading my initial post on my personal Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/simon.southerton/posts/10223782428822022 I also got a huge response on reddit. I managed to distract American exmormons from their stupid memes for a day or two. https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/owrtxm/my_lds_church_growth_hobby_horse/A good friend of mine in Utah told me that a LDS General Authority had admitted to an LDS friend that global attendance was around 25% or about 4 million. In my view that is overly optimistic. There are many countries around the world where attendance is 10%. The UK is the LDS heartland in Europe. If the UK is now about 14.5% then the global average outside of North America is definitely no more than 15%. The US will be around 30% (max) so there is no way the global average is 25%. After the pandemic I would not be surprised to see a massive one off drop of about 10%.So in terms of bums on seats, I reckon the Mormons have about 3.5 million a week prior to the pandemic and it must be heading dangerously close to 3 million. Its is staggering how well you can hide a big lie when you have unlimited financial resources, a well oiled PR department, and a membership who are disturbingly incurious.
I would be interested in how successful the JWs have been with Pacific Islanders? Almost 40% of Australian Mormons are from Tonga and Samoa. Another 15% or so would be of Maori ancestry. The Mormon Church seems to align very well with their culture, but most are Mormons for tribal, rather than spiritual reasons. This will not lead to stable growth in Australia. In fact I predict that it will collapse dramatically within the next 5 to 10 years.I'd also be interested to hear how well the JWs are tracking globally and in NZ and Australia. Hopefully it is southwards.
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JWs are bigger and more successful than the Mormon church
by joe134cd injust saw the following you tube video.
it’s 3 hours long, but thoroughly interesting.
if you want to save yourself 3 hours, basically the active mormon church is about 3 million.
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Like slim I have been to various churches since I have left the JWs. The thing that intrigues me isn’t so much their beliefs, but the culture that exists with in these religions. In doing so, I have found that the JWs are by no means unique in their beliefs and how they behave. Three observations really stand out to me. I was stunned when I went to the Christadelphians society, and was able to use JW talk and doctrine (that I thought was unique to the JWs) and they knew exactly what I was talking about. The SDA also believe that Michael the Archangle is Jesus. LDS /JW / iglasea ni christo (INC) certainly gauge their success by the size of their membership. Hence, we have these huge lds temples been built that cannot be supported by local membership . At the same time the INC were boasting about a JW assembly hall purchased in Spain and various buildings around the world, because of increasing membership. The reality is the lds isn’t growing and the Spanish assembly hall purchase was the result of migration from the Philippines, rather than real growth in amongst the Spanish community.
For the record I am certainly no JW apologist. But I have a degree of annoyance with the ignorance that is out there. Mr JWFacts has a section dedicated to how badly the JWs have done statistically. But really has failed to acknowledge that the lds have done a lot worse and the JWs could be on par with the SDA. Don’t forget the LDS and SDA have a better PR and are significantly more wealthy. Although I dislike the JW religion, I have to admire how it has out performed, it’s religious competitors, both with its growth and it preaching work. Sure they are in decline, but there are others who are taking greater hits. Here is another posting I made a few months back on the same topic.