Posts by joe134cd

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Three children families stop step decline in Mormon membership

by joe134cd in

i just posted this on a seperate thread, but i think it deserves its own thread.

this is with regard to the pew survey that states “2 out of three 3 born into the jehovah’s witness faith.

will not remain in the faith as adults.”.

joe134cd

To be honest I love making comparisons with the LDS. Yes I do believe the JWs are fudging numbers. If anything they are underestimating numbers. Time and time again when you compare the publisher count with the country census, they are vastly different. The JWs certainly are a bigger more engaged religion than that of the Mormon church. I would also suggest when you start making comparisons with a 3.5- 4million lds membership, it makes the 8 million JW membership look very believably.

It just hit me when I heard John Dehlin comment about the 3 member house hold propping the Mormon church up. Yet the JWs lose 2/3 of their youth and still have a more healthier membership. Even if 50% of the JWs are pimo. They still are doing better than the Mormon church. Who is the biggest lier? I’d say the Mormon church.

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Three children families stop step decline in Mormon membership

by joe134cd in

i just posted this on a seperate thread, but i think it deserves its own thread.

this is with regard to the pew survey that states “2 out of three 3 born into the jehovah’s witness faith.

will not remain in the faith as adults.”.

joe134cd

I just posted this on a seperate thread, but I think it deserves its own thread. This is with regard to the pew survey that states “2 out of three 3 born into the Jehovah’s Witness faith. Will not remain in the faith as adults.”

Ok fair enough. Now compare this with a quote from John Delin, of Mormon stories pod cast, where he says “ the only thing that is stopping the Mormon church from free fall in the USA, is the Mormon birth rate of 3 children per house hold.”

There are a couple of things to think about here?

LDS need 3 children house holds to stop membership from free fall in the USA. On the other hand JWs lose 2/3 of their youth but still manage to maintain their membership in the USA.

Mormons have been encouraged to have families, and in some cases large ones. JWs have been discouraged from having any children. One could assume with the ageing JW membership, along with the attitude to having children. Their stocks would be a lot lower in supporting membership in the USA through internal births. This hasn’t happened, as yet, as it’s been 1.2 million JW members in the USA for some time.

Interesting I thought.

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False members numbers

by asp59 in

is watchtower faking there member numbers?

i live in europe.

for the last 15 year's probably 25 person i knew or more were df, pimo, left by own will, inactive.

joe134cd

Slim boy : I remember John Dehlin, from Mormon stories podcast ( the equivalent Lloyd Evans in JWland) saying that it was the “Mormon birth rate of 3 children per family that was stopping the Mormon membership from free fall in the US.” If this is true. Then JWs losing 2/3 of their youth while still holding its membership in the USA is certainly impressive. My God that is just off the charts.

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False members numbers

by asp59 in

is watchtower faking there member numbers?

i live in europe.

for the last 15 year's probably 25 person i knew or more were df, pimo, left by own will, inactive.

joe134cd

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This is completely anecdotal. Based on similar type organisations. The JWs PIMI rate would be at a minimum of 3-4 million members. I suspect it is a lot higher than that. Also bear in mind no one knows for sure what the POMI rate is either, which could boost numbers . I have this feeling that those that fit the definition of PIMO would be no higher than 15%, and that’s been very optimistic. The trouble is that 15% get on the internet and cause watchtower 90% of its problems. I think if it got into the realms, like some have suggested, of 30-40% the org would just claps.

I know everyone likes to quote the “pew,2/3” thing. But as has been demonstrated this falls woefully short of the mark. There are certainly other organisations that are taking bigger hits. It could be that they are better at hiding it. How bad / good are they doing. I could argue both ways.

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False members numbers

by asp59 in

is watchtower faking there member numbers?

i live in europe.

for the last 15 year's probably 25 person i knew or more were df, pimo, left by own will, inactive.

joe134cd

I’m really in two minds as to just how well or badly the JWs are doing, when everything is factored in. It’s almost coming up to my 10th anniversary from when I physically walked out of the KH ( please no need to applause. Lol) . But from my observations then, it was district conventions with empty seats. Lots of grey heads and almost devoid of any 18-30 year olds. I deeply regret having stayed for as long as I did.

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JWs who are now paying the price of following the cult.

by mickbobcat in

my in-laws are two such people.

people who pioneered and did not work and try to save, instead they made just enough to get by and waited for the end to come.

now my mil is in palliative care and the state is paying for her keep, my fil lives in a dilapidated home and can not keep it up.

joe134cd

I knew this pioneer sister. Who went into pioneering virtually straight from school. She had the goal of going to bethel. To be honest I fancied her, so I decided to sit in on a bethel recruiting meeting with her. I remember seeing the look of disappointment and frustration on her face, hearing a governing body member saying the were requiring the skills of nurses and hospital personal. This pioneer sister was ultra PIMI. Last I heard she is still pioneering, still no closer to Bethel, and not married to me. Lol

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A bit of history ... for you history buffs

by RR in

jw
friends

i wasn't sure where to post this.

not sure why i'm posting this.

it's only going to add fuel to the fire.

joe134cd

WT paints this idea that Russel was teaching his contemporaries; however, I believe it might of been the other way around, with his contemporaries teaching him.

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A bit of history ... for you history buffs

by RR in

jw
friends

i wasn't sure where to post this.

not sure why i'm posting this.

it's only going to add fuel to the fire.

joe134cd

Slim- Nearly all the SDA’s I’ve meet, concoct conspiracy theories that CT Russel copied Ellen G White. I hate that.

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The Governing Body Announces That Some In-Person Meetings Will Resume in Select Areas

by Disillusioned JW in

related to the pilot program for in-person meetings for the vaccinated (jehovahs-witness.com) topic thread there is the following news announcement direct the org: the governing body announces that some in-person meetings will resume in select areas (jw.org) .

i certainly won't be participating in that..

joe134cd

Yes I believe your correct LongHairGal. It’s a balancing act between control, cashing up, and running with the money. I feel the decision to physically return to the halls was the correct decision. Long term, if they transitioned to on line, the whole thing would of just fell apart. It was only months of KH closing and they were trying to shut down the R&F from having independent study groups. Physical buildings means control and WT realises that.

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Not invited to congregation “get togethers”. They finally said it

by solomon in

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friends

we don’t get many invitations to congregational social gatherings.

we don’t attend midweek meetings and miss about 1/3 of sunday meetings.

we go in service at least once a month.

joe134cd

Yes I could of perhaps tolerated the lies and false doctrines. But it was when I found that I was been excluded. It made the process of searching for another community, that was more accepting, so much easier. In a way I’m great full for the culture that exists in Wt.