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  Internal Watchtower Statistics Re: Disfellowshipping and Shunning

  by NotFormer in

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  does the wt have a person/department/section tasked with compiling data and analysing it statistically.

  or have they started doing something like that now that they are hiring external consultancies?.

  i ask the question because i'm wondering if such studies and statistical analysis would show any link between the harshness of the disfellowshipping policy as it is applied and the dropout rate of people within the organisation who have just had enough.. in previous threads it has been pointed out that the old approach isn't effective any more.

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  Although no one has proof of record keeping or the hiring of outside sources. I’d say WT would be pretty naive, if not foolish, if they didn’t.
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  Attended the KH recently and found it to be thoroughly therapeutic.

  by joe134cd in

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  2. experiences

  i had to attend a family event recently which involved attending the kh.

  before i went i had it in my mind this was going to be a different experience.

  tbh i’ve had an interest in super hero socks.

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  I had to attend a family event recently which involved attending the KH. Before I went I had it in my mind this was going to be a different experience. Tbh I’ve had an interest in super hero socks. So as a one finger salute to Toney I wore my bright blue and red super man socks. I sat in the hall cross legged pulling my pants leg up to expose the socks. Also as I was getting changed to go. I looked at my meeting ties and thought I’m going to go with an open shirt.

  When the service began and I was sitting there boldly and proudly with my super man socks and no tie. I thought bugger it I’m going to use the opportunity to do some apostate catch-up on the internet.

  After the service everyone was happy to see me, and took a deep breath that I no longer have put up with their nonsense.

  Get to the family venue. The first song on the playlist was from “system of the down.” Which shocked me. I observed another brother there on the dance floor looking some what intoxicated. I thought bloody good on him. So over all I thought the function was a good experience in my opinion.
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  Elderly and sick: Out of sight, out of mind

  by Captain Schmideo2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  someone else posted something a similar experience, this is one i had regarding my mom.my mom died last year.

  she had been in failing health for years, but the last 2 year were pretty rough for her, with lots of visits to the hospital.

  the last 4 months, it was the hospital, a skilled nursing facility/rehab unit, and finally, a nursing home.

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  Im going to relate a couple of examples of after care given to elderly members,

  1, A relative of mine, an orthodox JW for 75 years. Had a stroke, and was mentally incapacitated. To their credit some in the congregation - myself included - offered a couple hours during the day, so the family could sort the immediate affairs out. With in 7 days they found themselves in the back room, been told that the congregation isn't a charity. I couldn't believe it, after 75 years of loyal service.

  Interestingly, the elder who gave this advice also found himself on the receiving end of it, when he to was dying. I had heard that during the last few years of his life he was feeling isolated at home and wanted visitors. I kind of did, but didnt, feel sorry for the guy because he had been in it for close to 100 years.

  2. Another Orthodox JW relative. In rest home care for dementia. In passing, I happened to ask the nursing staff about the visitors she was getting. The reply I got was, "once dementia sets in, they are generally forgotten about." I'm guessing by that comment the JWs are no exception to the rule.

  3. What amazes me, until very recently, how they will spend hours of their time and money knocking on empty doors. Yet do so little in the care and retention of their existing members. I've said this before on here, when i attended a sales course, and the point I come away with is this, "it takes x5 times the effort to gain a new customer than what it takes to keep an existing one happy." I certainly think Wt could learn from this.
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  How will history treat Judge Rutherford?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  mark jones writes:.

  how will history treat joseph rutherford?.

  like ben gorden has said, it would depend on who’s looking back.

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  As far as active membership, I’d suspect, the JWs have a bigger more involved membership.
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  Field Service

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those who are still attending meetings, what is happening at your congregation regarding field service now that reporting of hours is no longer required?.

  are the elders pushing for people to go out in service anyway?.

  what is the response?.

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  The minute they stopped counting time. My fathers computer got put away on a Saturday. And now he kicks back in his chair. Bless you my sweet dad. He is assigned to stand beside a cart every do many weeks. It’s more just a social thing for him now.
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  Where is Tony?

  by Athanasius in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.

  a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.

  in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.

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  Maybe that house in Carolina, was a decoy. I found it strange at the time, that they put him in a residence that was so accessible to the public. You can virtually get access to his front door. I also thought the residence was dangerous, and lacked security for someone of his caliber. Maybe Wt thought better of it. Idk. Sorry I can’t explain why he hasn’t shown at a meeting, knowing how meeting attendance is such a big issue. Hang low to the dust settles I guess
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  The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

  by gavindlt in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

  new light?.

  https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

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  I wonder how they would have a jubilee year, for a guy who had an affair with someone else’s wife, and yet no jubilee year for someone who still believes the old light on beards. Are there now clauses added into the jubilee year. I can see that been the only way of keeping those out with opposing views.
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  The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower .

  by gavindlt in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://youtu.be/pszy22hzj8o.

  new light?.

  https://www.dadseekingtruth.com/.

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  The Mormon church has got much the same problems with survival in the information age. I heard recently on Mormon Stories ( John Delin) podcast. “The Mormon doctrine and truth claims as it stands today, isn’t sustainable long term. It needs massive reform if it is to survive.” Telling words indeed.

  I was discussing this Jubilee year, with my unsuspecting PIMI Father today. His comment was it’s the principle that has to be applied. So I’m guessing this new light could be swallowed by the R&F. But then you either accept everyone back into congregation or you don’t, and this includes apostates. This could be problematic with acceptance of those who have different views to the guys in NY. Do they then get re-disfellowshipped, to be forgiven in the jubilee year. Do it goes on.

  I agree with slim. About comparing it to other churches. In the church I go to if it wasn’t for immigrants attending, from poor Christian countries, there would probably be no one there. I have heard comments to effect of, “the church is devoid of Caucasian’s.”
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  The secret 10 year plan to save the watchtower!

  by gavindlt in

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  2. scandals

  i would not put this past the corporation at all!

  yes this is at the root of there new light.

  it’s called compromise.

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  joe134cd

  To go mainstream. They need to stop shunning, allow blood transfusions and higher education, and jetson 1914. I really can’t see this happening. But then again 10 years ago I’d never thought beards and FS reporting would be stopped as well.
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  Just had a thought…

  by Vidiot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i been reading quite a few experiences on reddit lately, and their seems to be a common theme coming up….

  …dialed-up-to-eleven shunning of xjws by their witness relatives.. it reminds me of back in the day, listening to some of the over-the-top vitriol displayed by hard-core loyalists when the topic of evolution or apostates came up….

  …i was gobsmacked when i finally realized these guys weren’t offended and indignant because they thought it was lies….

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  The Mormon church is going through a very similar thing. I heard a comment from a prominent lds podcaster John Delin ( I love that guy) that the Mormon doctrine as it presently stands is not sustainable long term. It needs repaid reform if it’s to survive long term.

  Interestingly I have actually attended a Christadelphian church. I was shocked, to learn, that I could used terms and doctrine, that I thought was specific to the JWs, and they knew exactly what I was talking about. Just for the record the JWs did not develop out of christadelphianisim but out of Millerite advetistisim.