Posts by zound

here's 22 questions asked by creationists of evolutionists, on the night of the nye/ham debate: we've got alot of people who can help these creationists out, right here on jwn, so it seems the neighborly thing to do, right?.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio.

i'll take the easy one..... #22: if we come from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?".

zound

I'll take a crack at question number 10.

#10. I believe in the Big Bang theory... God said it and BANG it happened!

Oh...

Nevermind.

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How NON-VIOLENT is the Watchtower really?

by Fernando in

looking only skin deep, and at outward appearances, the watchtower does indeed seem to be non-violent.. however it is what one is at heart that really counts.. the watchtower tricks their followers into going to jail to parade themselves as "non-violent" "religious objectors" (instead of genuine "conscientious objectors").. however as jesus said our hidden disposition will be revealed by our fruits.. behind the well-crafted facade i personally find the watchtower to be deeply and maliciously violent, vindictive and venomous at heart.. anyone who dares question or expose them is speedily killed, albeit declared spiritually dead to friends and family.. these same friends and family are:.

taken spiritually captive and held hostage (can't leave with honour and credibility intact)spiritually starved (and fed badly tainted "food")spiritually, psychologically, and mentally tortured (cognitive dissonance whilst kept voiceless)spiritually raped (seduced into prostitution with the god of religion, and into snubbing the god of abraham and his message the liberating, unabridged, explicit and naked gospel or "good news")regardless of how valid their case may be, detractors are routinely undermined, discredited, labelled, misrepresented and slandered.. how do you see the watchtower's supremacist parading of their supposed non-violence?.

zound

"Constable Daniel James Morris, of Mitchelton, was cut over the right eye with an axe, alleged to have been wielded by a 17-year-old youth, who was arrested on a charge of causing grievous bodily harm. Detective-Constable N. W. Bauer was punched by another man, who also was arrested on a charge of assault. A woman struck police' officers with a stick. Two representatives of The Courier- Mail, watching the police raid on a Mitchelton house, were chased by a man armed with a pitch-fork"

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/44889997

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Story of a GB ass-kisser

by zound in

jw
friends

i was reading a life story article in the latest watchtower and had a few thoughts about it i thought i'd share here.

these life story things are always so depressing to me - this one is slightly interesting because it is told by a current "governing body helper".. it's called "full time ministry - where it has led me.

" reading it i just got the impression that this guy (robert) was aiming to be a gb member but fell short and ended up being a gb "helper".

zound

Actually there's an old thread on the guy here:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/164225/1/Alan-Feuerbacher-Bob-Wallen-and-Apostasy#.UvV8nDmWU29

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Story of a GB ass-kisser

by zound in

jw
friends

i was reading a life story article in the latest watchtower and had a few thoughts about it i thought i'd share here.

these life story things are always so depressing to me - this one is slightly interesting because it is told by a current "governing body helper".. it's called "full time ministry - where it has led me.

" reading it i just got the impression that this guy (robert) was aiming to be a gb member but fell short and ended up being a gb "helper".

zound

After I had spent almost three years in the Service Department, Max Larson, the factory overseer, told me that Brother Knorr would like to see me. I wondered if I had done something wrong. It was a relief when Brother Knorr said that he wanted to know whether I was planning to leave Bethel in the foreseeable future. He needed someone to work in his office temporarily and wanted to see if I could handle the assignment. I said that I had no plans to leave Bethel. As it turned out, I was privileged to work in his office for the next 20 years.

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Story of a GB ass-kisser

by zound in

jw
friends

i was reading a life story article in the latest watchtower and had a few thoughts about it i thought i'd share here.

these life story things are always so depressing to me - this one is slightly interesting because it is told by a current "governing body helper".. it's called "full time ministry - where it has led me.

" reading it i just got the impression that this guy (robert) was aiming to be a gb member but fell short and ended up being a gb "helper".

zound

I forgot to mention his 'priceless' education.

I have often said that I could never have paid for the education I received working with Brothers Sullivan and Knorr, as well as with others in Bethel, such as Milton Henschel, Klaus Jensen, Max Larson, Hugo Riemer, and Grant Suiter.

And also note what attracted him to his wife:

I saw Lorraine Brookes, whom I had met in 1955 when she was pioneering in Montreal, Canada. I was impressed with her attitude about full-time service and her willingness to go wherever Jehovah’s organization might send her.

And of course this:

When I told Brother Knorr about my intentions, he suggested we wait for three years, then get married, and serve at Brooklyn Bethel.

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Story of a GB ass-kisser

by zound in

jw
friends

i was reading a life story article in the latest watchtower and had a few thoughts about it i thought i'd share here.

these life story things are always so depressing to me - this one is slightly interesting because it is told by a current "governing body helper".. it's called "full time ministry - where it has led me.

" reading it i just got the impression that this guy (robert) was aiming to be a gb member but fell short and ended up being a gb "helper".

zound

I was reading a life story article in the latest watchtower and had a few thoughts about it I thought I'd share here. These life story things are always so depressing to me - this one is slightly interesting because it is told by a current "governing body helper".

It's called "Full time ministry - Where it has led me." Reading it I just got the impression that this guy (Robert) was aiming to be a GB member but fell short and ended up being a GB "helper".

It starts off with this:

John Chimiklis and Ted Jaracz—were assigned to the traveling work in our area.... I can still recall when Brother Chimiklis asked me what I was going to do with my life. When I told him, he urged me: “Yes, get right into the full-time ministry. You never know where it may lead you.” That advice, along with the example of those brothers, deeply impressed me. So after graduating, I began pioneering in 1948.

Under the heading "Bethel Assignments" there seemed to be a hugely subserviant attitude - he describes in detail about sharpening Nathan Knors pencils, after Nathan Knor described a similar thing that landed him a top office job.

On one occasion, Brother Knorr spoke to me about the need for caring for what might be called small matters. To illustrate, he told me that when he was the factory overseer, Brother Rutherford would call him on the phone and say: “Brother Knorr, when you come over from the factory for dinner, bring me some pencil erasers. I need them at my desk.” Brother Knorr said that the first thing he did was go to the supply room, get the erasers, and put them in his pocket. Then at noon he would take them to Brother Rutherford’s office. It was such a little thing, but it was useful to Brother Rutherford. Then Brother Knorr told me: “I like to have sharpened pencils on my desk. So please have them there each morning.” For many years, I made sure his pencils were sharpened.

Knor was factory overseer, but by dilligently kssing Rutherfords ass he got a top job. Robert seemed to try the same "for many years", but to no avail.

He goes further on about his ass-kissing Knor and seems to enjoy fondly describing a time when he got a rebuke from him for not listening carefully enough:

Brother Knorr often spoke about the need to listen carefully when we were asked to perform a particular task. Once, he gave me explicit instruction on how to handle a certain matter, but I failed to listen carefully. As a result, I caused him much embarrassment. I felt terrible, so I wrote a brief letter saying that I deeply regretted what I had done and felt that it would be best for me to be transferred out of his office. Later that morning, Brother Knorr came to my desk. “Robert,” he said, “I have your note. You made a mistake. I spoke to you about it, and I am sure you will be more careful in the future. Now let’s both get back to work.” I deeply appreciated his kind consideration.

He obviously doesn't detail what the mistake was, could it be he didn't sharpen Knor's 2B enough? I wouldn't be surprised if it was something petty like that. This guy seems too damn soft for the GB.

He describes getting married, but for years they were apart because he was at bethel and she was pioneering in Brazil.

Our only contact during the first two years of our engagement was by mail. It was too costly to telephone, and there was no e-mail in those days! When we got married on September 16, 1961, we had the honor of having Brother Knorr give our wedding talk.

He really seems to look up to Bro Knor, he can't stop mentioning him, even making him the main focus of his wedding day recollection.

Under the heading "Priveleges of Service" he tells us he became a zone overseer. But at that time wives were not allowed to accompany their husbands, so for the next 13 years his 'privelege' took him apart from his wife.

The final heading is called "A rewarding and purposeful life". I'll let it speak for itself:

Although I am not able to travel around the world as in former years, I am able to keep up my daily work as a helper to the Governing Body, working with the Coordinators’ Committee and the Service Committee. I greatly appreciate the privilege of having a small share in supporting the worldwide brotherhood in this way. It continues to amaze us to see the large number of young men and women who have taken up the full-time service with the attitude of Isaiah, who said: “Here I am! Send me!” This multitude of individuals echo the truthfulness of the words of the circuit overseer who long ago said to me: “Get right into the full-time ministry. You never know where it may lead you.”

Yes, that sounds like a very rewarding and purposeful life. Life highlights including the privelege of sharpening your bosses pencils. An anecdotal story about that time when your boss chastised you for screwing up. Forced seperation from your wife for many years because of 'kingdom interests'.

Earlier in the article he quotes the letter of acceptance from his idol Nathan Knor:

It was signed by Nathan H. Knorr, who wrote: “Your application for Bethel service is at hand. I understand that you agree to remain in Bethel until the Lord takes you away. I would therefore like you to report to Bethel at 124 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, New York, on September 7, 1950.”

What really struck me was that from what I can tell the word "Jehovah" was only used twice in the article near the end, and in this context:

Lorraine and I frequently reflect on our more than six decades in dedicated service to Jehovah. We are very happy with the ways we have been blessed by allowing Jehovah to direct us through his organization.

There was just zero account of his love for god or any kind of spiritual aspect in the article, just stories about Knor and other Watchtower dignitories, and the 'privellege' he had to serve them and be chastised by them. It reads like a company man who kissed ass all his life but it didn't quite pay off in the end. It led him to a subserviant life grovelling for the GB until 'the lord takes him away'.

It really is a sad and empty sounding life when I read this. I don't mean to mock the man, but I just got complete and utter coldness from this. Even when describing his wedding day as I mentioned, it seemed the highlight was that Knor was there.

What do you guys think?

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Entire Body of ELDERS make NEWS with GB. more news on FB

by Jack Miller in

http://www.mcalesternews.com/policecourts/x409169231/da-jehovah-witness-church-concealed-molestation-crimes.

if you have a facebook account you can read more details that wt has published about one of these elders involved in this illegal cover up.. https://www.facebook.com/groups/xjwrg3/permalink/10151981880490835/.

zound

But it said the events happened 30 years ago. So none of these current GB were on the GB back then correct?

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New awake up on jw.org about suicide

by hoser in

they have printed a series of articles about suicide.

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zound

Perhaps I'm jaded but I'm just seeing this article as another form of indoctrination. Notice under the section - "Three things that can help"

1. "Prayer" - Why not talk to God in prayer today? Use his name, Jehovah, and speak from your heart. Jehovah wants you to come to know him as a friend.

Get the householder to pray using the name 'jehovah' and you're halfway there.

2. "People who care". For example, at times in their ministry, Jehovah’s Witnesses encounter distraught people, some of whom have admitted that they were desperate for help and had considered ending their life. The door-to-door ministry has given Jehovah’s Witnesses a unique opportunity to help such people. Following Jesus’ example, Jehovah’s Witnesses care about their fellowman. They care about you.

Lovebombing - or getting people when they are weak. Just watch how quickly that care dries up once you're a JW.

And thirdly - "Professional Assistance".

Then the "real" solution - everlasting life and wiping tears away etc etc. Ending on:

WHAT YOU CAN DO TODAY: Start investigating what the Bible teaches about a genuine hope for the future. Jehovah’s Witnesses will be glad to help you. You can contact them locally or find valuable information at their Web site, jw.org.