never having been a jw i don't quite understand why they call themselves "christians".
if jesus is not god and is not to be worshipped as such, but is something "lesser", then it doesn't make sense to think of themselves as christians.
to claim to be christian, then, seems to me to make themselves hypocrites from the very beginning.
It's likely that no two Christian believe exactly the same.
It's all a mind menagerie. At one end Jesus is but a son of his greater "Father" deity. At the other end of the mind numbing spectrum Jesus is EVERYTHING.
It all depends on how your thoughts interpret other peoples thoughts (the Bible). It's all mental masturbation. You have to suspend the actual reality of life, and instead place your attention on a book. It's all insanity, IMHO. There are no rules other than the ones you make up.
j
i believe i have come to realize that i am no better than the jdubs myself.
for about six weeks now i have been going to a book study with a friend of my girlfriend.
i act very interested, i give him the answers he wants to hear, i am the perfect and progressing study.
i want to help them to know the true God and the nature and salvation of His son Yehsu.
Are you living a lie? Yes!
Anyone who believes that tiny little deities are responsible for an infinite universe, is living a lie. Stop worrying about others and look at your own insanity.
j
has anyone stopped to think what jesus was really saying to the jews?
jesus also says that you have neither seen nor heard him.
well the ot speaks of how the jews on several occassions not only saw gods ass (backside) but also heard him speak.
It may be important to not take such words too fundamentally, materially, or carnally; as we may then judge a whole group of people as evil. If the Jesus of the Bible actually existed, and he had realized truth, then his words very likely would have been referring to peoples beliefs and not their actual physical existence being that of the devil. The devil being not a real entity, but rather those beliefs which separate us (in our minds) from the Divine.
Basically the problem with religious beliefs is the thoughtless wholesale reduction of God (our Source and Sustenance), down to a deity, a thing, an object, a particular personage. The act of such minimizing shrinks our Source (not really, but rather in the mind only) down to a fragment or piece within the universe; when actually what the word G-O-D points to, is what all universes and phenomena exist within. There is no place or time where IT is not. Does this make sense? Do you see the difference?
So, Jesus would have been speaking allegorically, in parables only. We are of the devil (of the lie) when we unquestionably believe that God is some thing outside and apart from us. It takes a huge mental process of subtraction to shrink God/Infinity, down to a specific location, as it removes God from all the rest of the universe except for some abstract little place. This is not honoring God. This is diminishing and belittling God. Yet most every Christian, Jew and Muslim does it every breathing moment of their day. These people are not evil, they are in fact no less divine than any and all life. They're just ignorant of truth and have fed upon lies. They suck the tit of Satan...allegorically speaking.
j
sometimes i wonder how something made it into the bible in the first place.... genesis 38, the story of judah and his daughter-in-law tamar.
background judah's firstborn son er was bad in jehovah's eyes, so jehovah put him to death.
genesis 38:6. so judah being the good father that he was gave tamar to his second son to have sex with and have children in the name of the fallen er... we pick up reading in genesis 38:9.
I personally find the subject matter and title of this thread disgusting and offensive.
You're giving kind old perverts, like me, a bad name associating us with the likes of the murderous Jah. Have you no heart?
j
i'm "alpheta".
i've been reading here for the past few weeks, but have visited from time to time over several years.. short history, i started studying in 1993, was baptised in 1996, and succinctly and with much planning disassociated myself in october, 2003.. i don't believe i have any lasting psychological damage or issues, but i was curious about the state of the wtbts (or whatever they go by these days), and i found your site and a lot of information that, i have to say, i found shocking at first like - oh my goddess, they really did that?
- kind of thing.. anyway, nice to have read your posts and i really enjoy the sense of community here.
Welcome, Alpheta.
Glad you joined us.
j
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i know i haven't contributed much to the community in a while, so hopefully this makes up for it.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qamljaj5sta&feature=mostreferred&page=2&t=t&f=b
That's cute. It's a parody on Victor Navone's alien video done several years back.
j
i'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.
even a bit nervous... .
i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.
I'm afraid of losing Jehovah, such as everyone on this board did. I love God. I want to please him.
Perhaps, If your god is so tiny that you can "lose" it, then it's not worth having.
j
i'm a bit reluctant in writing this post, for i dont feel i should be here.
even a bit nervous... .
i've never officially dedicated myself to jehovah, but i was brought up in the truth, very strong, and at times when getting older, there were lulls in my attendance... yet to this day i still attend.
Welcome, Saki.
Who are you trying to sell the validity of the Witness Organization to? The people here, or yourself?
If you feel it is the right thing to worship an ancient tribal deity and those who profess to be his ambassador here on earth, go for it. Stop vacillating. Be the best Jehovah's Witness you can be. Certainly you must believe the end is near; and if you are found not honoring and serving your all-knowing deity, he will certainly without hesitation kill you and your children. This brings up an important question however.
Can you honestly, sincerely, and genuinely love and honor that which will kill you and your family if you do not? Dwell on that, until you are absolutely certain as to your hearts answer. Then follow your heart. Either be a Witness 100%, or let go completely of the insanity once and for all.
The silent wisdom exists within you which knows without doubt what to do.
j
blondie has repeatedly asked in her item on the wt study "where is jesus?".
since the wtbts claims to be christian, you could reasonably expect such an organization to talk about jesus could you not?.
for all jws, and others - start counting how often jesus is mentioned at the meetings.
What a divine little box.
j
blondie has repeatedly asked in her item on the wt study "where is jesus?".
since the wtbts claims to be christian, you could reasonably expect such an organization to talk about jesus could you not?.
for all jws, and others - start counting how often jesus is mentioned at the meetings.
Yes, where is Jesus?!
Other than Jesus-thoughts and beliefs running about in the mind, where is Jesus? Besides Krishna-thoughts running amuck in the mind, where is Krishna? Besides Buddha-thoughts running around in the mind, where is Buddha? Besides Allah beliefs flowing through the mind, where is Allah. Other than Jehovah-thoughts moving through the mind, where is Jah?
Besides me-thoughts running, running through the mind, where am I? Who, what am I, really?
Seriously.
j
