i wanted to share with you all information that you may find helpful in your quest for real truth as it pertains to god and religion.
"jesus" is just the latest sun-god in mankind's long history of sun-gods.
a belief-system which in itself stems from mankinds first true religion, worship of the sun and stars.
This subject regarding the kinship of Jesus and many other gods has been discussed here endlessly.
Certainly hundreds and hundreds of times.
Well, maybe not hundreds but certainly many dozens of times.
Many, may be too many, but it has to be at least ten times that this subject has come up.
Ummm, it could be a few less than ten, but at least five or six times that we all talked about this.
Twice, yes, two times I'm almost sure of.
Actually, this could be a first.
Have at it.
i wanted to share with you all information that you may find helpful in your quest for real truth as it pertains to god and religion.
"jesus" is just the latest sun-god in mankind's long history of sun-gods.
a belief-system which in itself stems from mankinds first true religion, worship of the sun and stars.
Parakeet,
Notice, my icon is that of a fool.
My opening comment was a jest.
I felt like jesting.
And so I jested.
I jest a lot.
It's just the way of a jester who jestes justly.
Can't help it.
i wanted to share with you all information that you may find helpful in your quest for real truth as it pertains to god and religion.
"jesus" is just the latest sun-god in mankind's long history of sun-gods.
a belief-system which in itself stems from mankinds first true religion, worship of the sun and stars.
Look Viv, this is an extremely religious place. A holy place.
We have already done our research and have concluded that Jesus is god; and you're not.
So go away.
many years ago, a moment magically unfolded.. .
in my arms, silent and warm, lay my baby son who only a few weeks earlier curled in his mommies tummy.. cradled lovingly, and comfortably in my arms, an innate wisdom within him, ignored all the menagerie of colors and stimulus around, and focused instead, directly into my eyes.. the gaze entered into my soul.
we melded.
Many years ago, a moment magically unfolded.
In my arms, silent and warm, lay my baby son who only a few weeks earlier curled in his mommies tummy.
Cradled lovingly, and comfortably in my arms, an innate wisdom within him, ignored all the menagerie of colors and stimulus around, and focused instead, directly into my eyes.
The gaze entered into my soul. We melded. The world disappeared. I fell into forever.
Down, down into those endlessly beautiful eyes which knew no separation; no two.
Duality disintegrated. There was only Oneness. Wholeness. Perfection. Heaven.
No story. No drama. No words. No mental imagery. No judgment. Only pure, alive, emptiness. Infinite silence and unimaginable purity, pregnant with an all encompassing love.
After, I became mostly blind to what was unmistakably our true, core, being. But there was no forgetting. No forgetting.
I knew.
Here now today, is a fool; who knows, but can not say, or convey.
At best, perhaps point back at you, in a direction deeper, and deeper still, closer and more intimate than anything we ever thought or imagined.
You are – Forever.
so things are not making sense at all here in my fade.
as i had posted earlier, i had a long intense talk the other night with my husband where i thought it was crystal clear just where i'm at right now with the wtbts.
then, the same week, he's not feeling well and asks me to take the kids to the mid-week meeting.
The JW beliefs, are a closed universe (as is every belief system).
As far as those engulfed and absorbed within it, nothing else exists. No message gets in from outside. We all know this.
Via a miracle, you leave that universe and step into another. All significant and meaningful communication ends. Why question this? It should be expected.
We all live in a mind generated universe made up of insubstantial thought, ideas, beliefs, and concepts, that are far removed from Reality. Our JW past, should have taught us this.
The question is: What illusion are we trapped in now?
so things are not making sense at all here in my fade.
as i had posted earlier, i had a long intense talk the other night with my husband where i thought it was crystal clear just where i'm at right now with the wtbts.
then, the same week, he's not feeling well and asks me to take the kids to the mid-week meeting.
"I feel like I'm living in an alternative universe where my own actions and thoughts are meaningless."
Read about Plato's Allegory of the Cave.
It may help you understand the dynamics of what is going on.
since leaving the jw's in 2008 i still struggle with a crisis of meaning at times.
i feel like at times life has no set purpose and we are just empty humans floating in space.i struggled a lot with this when i left in 2008 but so no much any more.. i feel like my set version of reality was falling apart and i felt at times i was falling into a deep abyss.. .
did any of you feel like that when you left the jw's?.
“ Our ideas of reality are really data. What you do with data is the proof of the "reality" pudding.”
So, that's it?
This is as deep as it gets?
We questioned everything before, but now we don't?
Such a method of “proof of reality”, is understandably an easy conclusion in which to accommodate ourselves; because nothing has really been threatened or fundamentally changed. Our paradigm of 'reality” remains pretty much untouched and uninterrupted.
We have rearranged our impression of “reality” and how to discern it with the same process of thought that created the past delusions.
“ Our ideas of reality are really data. What you do with data is the proof of the "reality" pudding.”
So who is it exactly that manipulates the data into a “reality” pudding? Who are we, really?
Instead of comfortably resting in past mental constructions of reality, lets have some drastic fun and pull the rug completely out from under ourselves.
Perhaps a new way of seeing will arise.
What IS our “physical reality”? Who ARE we?
The human body and brain, are constructed of atoms. The atom consists of a central nucleus which is surrounded by electrons. The nucleus and electrons are extremely small, and so most of the atom is simply empty space. How much is empty, and how much not?
Lets put together all the atoms of all seven billion people on this planet together, and remove the space within those atoms.
What does the remaining nuclei and electrons consist of?
Approximately, one teaspoon of “matter”.
Did you get that?
The fact is, is that what we think of as “ourself” is 99,999....% nothing.
Is what remains solid-concrete-matter?
As far as we can tell it is fundamentally made up of non-material energy. Something, we don't yet understand and can only theorize and guess as being invisible vibrating multidimensional strings and shit. Nothing we can comprehend.
There is no there.
So what are we, really? Who is it that thinks it can deduce what “reality” is???
Do we just continue the same old paradigm? and “think” our way through? Or do we go beyond everything we believe?
The door is open.
the saying people will make the same mistake over and over again is so true.
in the "revelation grand climax at hand" the revised one 2006 the wt again makes the same error and attributes the words at rev 22:12 to jehovah on pgs 306 and to jesus on the last page 319. you would think they would have learned their lesson from the 1978 wt blunder.
they almost use the same wording discussing the suddeness of jesus coming and jesus encourages his followers of his sudden coming and they list 5 scriptures and say jesus spoke them and one of the verses is (rev 22:12).
That's what happens when you have a circumscribed deity or deities. They just never add up to what you want them to.
since leaving the jw's in 2008 i still struggle with a crisis of meaning at times.
i feel like at times life has no set purpose and we are just empty humans floating in space.i struggled a lot with this when i left in 2008 but so no much any more.. i feel like my set version of reality was falling apart and i felt at times i was falling into a deep abyss.. .
did any of you feel like that when you left the jw's?.
Reality?
Everything the mind calls “reality” – isn't.
It's just a concoction of drastically limited electrochemical impulses thrown against the wall of the mind to create an artificial picture. We think we are thinking when all we are doing is rearranging the bogus mess.
We call a leaf “green”; when actually it's the part of the the spectrum that is rejected. What makes up the leaf is anything but – green.
Everything else is just as fictitious; just crap on which is fabricated an illusion of self.
overheard:.
"is your cup half full or half empty?".
"well, depends on whether you just poured something out or poured something in.".
Dear Myelaine,
Our mind's are capable of arguing against, or for, any point another may have, for ever. Because all reference that the mind relies on for its conclusions in nothing but symbols, which are many times removed from any reality. So, the mind can never know, nor relate to, nor give witness to what is fundamentally genuine and true, and so it just continues its illusionary ego-centric arguments and beliefs for ever. That's not bad, it's just the way it is.
Let's take it a little further in a direction that may help us understand the mind/brain limitations:
Our brain, and all matter, is made of atoms. An atom is mainly space; emptiness, nothingness. Which amounts to what?
If we gathered together every one of the seven billion people on earth, and piled all their atoms together and sucked away all the space in those atoms so that only the nuclei and electrons remained, what would be left?
An amount that would equal a sugar cube. How minuscule a fragment is "you" in that? One seven billionth of one teaspoon?
Now as far as what makes up that sugar cube, the atomic “particles” can be reduced down to pure energy, that have no solid existence either.
What I am getting to, is that all of our thoughts, ideas, and seeming “realities” are based on a mind/brain generated facade that has no real existence, because the mind/brain that created it, has little if any existence or connection to reality in itself.
So, in an epiphany, knowing this, we ask: what is, within us, TRUE? What do we intrinsically possess that can relate to deeper truth? What avenue remains for us to genuinly discover further?
We forgo all illusion: all thought, ideas, beliefs, dogma, memories, etc. So that out most intimate non-phenomenal sense of consciousness and existence may clearly see what IS.
If this makes any sense, then look, see, experience.
If not, then just see me a fool. No harm meant.
