check out this gem from the dec 2013 km which explains why it's good to over this book a second go round.. "congregations previously considered this book during 2004 and 2005. however,for many of the approximately two million publishers who have come into the truth since then,this will be the first time that jehovahs endearing qualities have been discussed in detail.for those who studied the book before, the review will help them to deepen their appreciation forjehovahs attributes.ps.119:14".
i gotta kick out of this because i can only think of maybe two or three new ones in our congregation who weren't present when this book was first studied.
at the same time, going over jehovah's qualities isn't something new.
SFPW
Please update us regarding how your personal research is going re JW doctrines IE :607-1914 , the generation , the 2 class 2 hopes , the 144000 (literal number or symbolic) , the faithfull and wise slave (parable or prophecy ) ?
As a regular poster on here it would seem highly improbable that you havent been doing some research outside of watchtower publications .
Have you taken a different view or reviewed any previously held beliefs regarding any of the above subjects ?
i would like to meet so many people!
actually hang out with them and see if we get along after meeting in person!.
here's my list:.
My List
Joan Cetnar(would love to meet joan as her and the wonderful Bill got me started in the first place , would love to give her a big hug )
Dan Hall
Brian Garcia
Raypublisher
Wendy Tucker
Danmera
Carl olaf Johnson
have my own reasons for wanting to meet each one of these great guys .
this was a famous case here in the uk, based around the experiences of matt barrie (aka hobo ken).
we've uploaded the audio recording of his judicial committee meeting with the glasgow bishopbriggs congregation elders and you can listen/download the (long) unedited file here:.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k1pajlf7duc5zgh/matt%20judicial%20raw.mp3.
Was great to hear this again .
Mathew displays some fancy footwork throughout both these obscene proceedings . sticks to his guns superbly .
in the end its so obvious they couldnt get him on any wrong doing without violating there own rules , so they ultimately execute
him because they didnt want a smart inteligent guy like him around who they couldnt mentally control .
As an aside, i only wish Mathew did challenge them on the 607 issue , at least in the form of a question. He's so smart , im sure he would have
ran rings around their fraudulent doctrine .
okay, i never went to university , or had a college education, though i`m damn sure that "truth" is "truth" and it never changes.. if you" beleived "something was the truth in the past and now found out it was not correct , you cant say it was an" old " truth ,it must have been wrong/false reasoning in the first place......so it was never really the truth.. sure you can be aware of a "new" truth something you never knew beforehand , though whether you knew it or not ,it has always been a truth.
example:the earth was the centre of the universe ,beleived as a truth.........that beleif was false , it was not an old truth.. if their was something you beleived before as true and you now find it wasnt true , then it was false / untrue .. their is no such thing as an "old truth " and a "new truth" that is apparently accepted by jehovahs witnesses .. if jehovahs witnesses were as honest as they profess , then they would acknowledge when they make adjustments to their beleifs/doctrines that they were wrong in their initial understanding of said scriptures instead of passing it off as old truths or new light.. i was a witness for 33 years before it became obvious something was just not right with this religion and it took another 10-12 years before i found this site , that set me free.
so i ask , is it an iq level ?
Im convinced that a significant proportion of those still in are not in it for the truth . in fact truth is probably way down on the list of things that they are there for . for example , social outlet , community with other like-minded people , fear of the outside world , dating/marriage mate etc , these things are way more important than truth to many of them still in .
Secondly because they are captive to to the concept that these 8 muppets in brooklyn somehow have a batphone to god , even if a so-called truth has had more tweeks than lapdancers' nipple they accept it because they just imagine that these guys have an elevated level of understanding that they dont and so should just therefore accept it because its beyond their level of comprehension .
During a recent conversation with my own father where i 'came out' as an appostate and comprehensively destroyed 607 - 1914 , his only response was
'well dates dont matter anyway , its still the truth' .
What !!? dates dont matter to a JW ?. your head could explode trying to reason with people that blind .
# 3 newbie post.
first of all, the newbies have set a record here!.
have you ever seen a 4pg post where 21 new members reply!
Newbie -ish form the UK here .was lurking for about a year , only started posting a couple of moths ago but visit here daily .
To other newbies , dont forget there is a goldmine of of historic posts on every subject for anyone looking for a way to wake up family and friends that are still in . it worked for me .
letter from a close family member... need help responding.... what a powerful illustration of the affect that our choice of friends can have on us, especially if we leave jehovah after being 'raised' by him from infancy!.
pack of wolvesthere was a farmer who raised sheep and had trouble with wolves stealing his sheep.
he loved his sheep and didn't want to lose even one of them.
I would say
'I'm glad you mentioned sheep , because im sure jesus said on more than one occasion that he is the fine shepherd and HIS sheep know HIS voice and follow HIM . not a man made publishing corporation .
propitiatory sacrifice.
this is how christ's death is described three times in the scriptures.. the apostle john wrote, "the love is in this respect, not that we have loved god, but that he loved us and sent forth his son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.
" (1 john 4:10).
Philippians 3v20-21 Even says the same in the NWT . only intellectual dishonesty of the worst kind would lead to any other conclusion .
i was recently acquainted with the exhaustive - and blatantly inaccurate and crazy - theorizing by a "dr thomas", the "founder" of the christadelphians.. he was an earlier "contemporary" of chuck russell - and some have accused russell of "stealing" the christadelphians main teachings.
they're probably correct in their accusation.
christadelphians do not believe in the trinity or hellfire, are conscientious objectors who do not vote and who hate catholicism and are scathing in their views of christendom - although like all "decent" religious groups, jws included, have toned down their rabid attacks on other religious groups in recent decades.. dr thomas's quaint - and hilariously self-important - interpretation of scripture, led him on several occasions to predict the end of the world in his own day.
I raised the issue of reducing numbers recently with a JW relative , his response was 'im not concerned , in fact reducing numbers only confirms prophecy regarding the last days ' the love of the greater number will cool off ' therefore within 'gods organization' this is to be expected .
Typical jw thinking ie bad news is also somehow goodnews
i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.
i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?
i've already found several by reading older posts..
another East mids here
so, i have it on very good authority that a co has recently been disfellowshipped in the uk.
he has just finished serving the north west london area.
i don't know any details but perhaps there is someone who does know what happened.
Did we ever ID the CO connected to the original post?
