There will be a time when I will have no choice but to move on.I just want to be able to live my life without wondering If I could have done more. I want her to know that there Is something else for her, even If It doesn't include me. If this was a regular girl i'd have given up long ago. It's hard to walk away from someone you love when you see them suffering.
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Did I misinterpret this?
by mackey inhere's a list of statements made by a jw friend of mine to me over the course of several months.
i'm not a pyscologist, but i saw them as a cry for help.
the message seems pretty clear to me..
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Did I misinterpret this?
by mackey inhere's a list of statements made by a jw friend of mine to me over the course of several months.
i'm not a pyscologist, but i saw them as a cry for help.
the message seems pretty clear to me..
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mackey
Here's a list of statements made by a jw friend of mine to me over the course of several months. I'm not a pyscologist, but I saw them as a cry for help. The message seems pretty clear to me.
1." I wish I had never become a jw, but knowing what I know now, I can't leave." ( I assume she means knowing the "truth", or death.)
2." I long for the chance to have never known of them." ( the dubs)
3. Asking me more than once If I thought she was In a cult. ( I never answered, but she said she understands how It would seem that way.)
4. Refusing to admit that I will die at armegeddon.( said I would be ressurected, and she would have to convert me.)
5. Stating that, If she had any doubt, she would leave.
6. Telling me personal things that I know could get her disfellowed. ( even did something with me that could have gotten her In a heap of trouble.)
7. Tried to convert me, then gave up, calling me hopeless.( should I be offended or proud?)
8. Open to reading CofC. She seemed almost anxious to read It. Somehow the anxiousness turned to fear and she gave It back without reading It.
Of course, these statements were made when I was uneducated about the real truth, now I am a threat to her. No doubt she was spoken to about me. All of the above, It seems have been wiped clean from her memory.Maybe I misunderstood, but It seems to me that she really wanted out.It also seems that fear Is what keeps her In.We used to be very open about everything, now I'm basically being shunned.
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What Might Happen?
by mackey inif i gave a dub friend of mine a copy of "combatting mind control" and told her that her guilt and fear complex is covered in the book.
i would be sure to tell her it's got nothing to do with jw's, but i noticed some similarities.
i'd tell her that i am only concerned and reading it would help calm my fears for her wellbeing.. i'd probably never try this, but i'm curious nonetheless.
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If I gave a dub friend of mine a copy of "combatting mind control" and told her that her guilt and fear complex Is covered In the book. I would be sure to tell her It's got nothing to do with jw's, but I noticed some similarities. I'd tell her that I am only concerned and reading It would help calm my fears for her wellbeing.
I'd probably never try this, but I'm curious nonetheless. How would you react If you were still In and "under the Influence" and someone offered It to you. And would reading It while still "In" make any difference?
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Any Experience With This?
by mackey init seems that the lack of love is a pretty large void in the life of a jw and i was wondering how much of an impact it can have in a persons descision to leave the borg.
i have a very close friend of mine who's in it and has absolutly no love or compassion in her life.
even her own parents put her down.
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mackey
It seems that the lack of love Is a pretty large void In the life of a JW and I was wondering how much of an impact It can have In a persons descision to leave the borg. I have a very close friend of mine who's In It and has absolutly no love or compassion In her life. Even her own parents put her down. She Is well aware that I love her and would do anything for her, and am hoping that over time, that will be enough to make her see what is missing In her life ( she's 24).
I tried the direct approach, but she's not going to listen until she wants to listen.Basically what I do now Is write letters reminding her that I love her and am her for her. I try to build her up, not tear her down, In the hopes that she'll open up to me and see that I'm not the demon seed that her social circle makes me out to be. She said It herself, that aside from her parents, no one has ever expended themselves for her the way I have. And I see that as an advantage. I would like to hear from any who experienced anything like this from a "worldly" person, and how It affected you, Or from any "worldlies" who employed this tactic. Actually, my love Is real and not really a tactic.
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The irrational fears, the inability to think for themselves, not being able to see the pain they cause families and friends. The hatred they preach, and most of all, not being able to see true love even If It bit them In the ass.
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Torn.
by mackey ini went to see my jw object of affection yesterday after a two month absence and it didn't go well.
the woman i love has become fearful of me and reluctant to speak to me.
the look in her eyes told the whole story.
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I went to see my JW object of affection yesterday after a two month absence and It didn't go well. The woman I love has become fearful of me and reluctant to speak to me. The look In her eyes told the whole story. It was a look I've seen far too many times and It eats away at my soul. It was a look of confusion and immence sadness. She Is being held prisoner by fear and guilt, and It Is destroying her.
In my previous posts my only focus was to free her from this cult, but I am only one man, and cannot do It alone. I tried to do to much, too soon and It backfired, pushing her away. I can only pray that love Is enough to free her. My love Is the only love she has ever known and I have given and done more for her than anyone else. I have changed her views about people and how she feels about herself. She blames herself for causing me so much sadness, but I tell her It's not her fault. We all know who Is to blame. I ask her why she Is so guilt-ridden and fearful and she cannot answer, She doesn't know.
This Innocent woman Is carrying an Immence burden of expectations that she cannot live up to and It is causing inner turmoil and conflict that Is making her feel unworthy and unable to trust me. I cannot stand by and watch this happen to her. I will do anything within In my power to remove the fear and guilt that have such a stranglehold on her. I have seen the happiness In her when I was able to remove that burden temporarily, when she was able to be "normal". My only focus now Is to remove It permanently. If I can accomplish that, the rest will follow.
Though I have never been a JW, I feel like my future Is being stolen from me.This young woman does not understand love, yet she has shown me what It means and how powerful It truly Is. And for that, I will not give up on her.
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Considered Suicide ?
by Guest 77 inafter reading about the two jw's committing suicide and larc's comments, how many of us have considered suicide?
i saw a movie about a man trying every trick in the book to committ suicide and failed.
it got to the point in the movie that you know his next new attempt would fail.. most likely some people prefer to die without committing suicide.
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mackey
I never considered suicide until I fell In love with a Jehovah's Witness.Seeing how her life Is being controlled and being unable to reach her has caused a sadness In me that Is unbearable. knowing the real "truth" and not being able to show her Is a burden I will have to carry with me my entire life.The only thing that keeps me here Is the love my parents and my unwillingness to hurt them.
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Meeting A JW Friend Today.
by mackey ini am going to visit a friend of mine who is a jw this afternoon and because she's suspicious of me, i may not get to see her for a while, if at all ( she doesn't know i'm coming).
is there anything i can say or do to ensure another opportunity to see her?
it will only be for a few minutes and i need to make the most of them.
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I am going to visit a friend of mine who Is a JW this afternoon and because she's suspicious of me, I may not get to see her for a while, If at all ( she doesn't know I'm coming). Is there anything I can say or do to ensure another opportunity to see her? It will only be for a few minutes and I need to make the most of them.
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Need Help Badly!
by mackey ini have a very dear friend who is a jw and i am trying to find a way to open her eyes and make her aware of the bulls**t they spew as "truth".
i can sense a hint of doubt in her, but cannot openly talk with her about it.
i gave her a copy of cofc, but she didn't read it and now she doesn't trust me.i need to find a way to open her eyes or at least get her thinking without actually mentioning her beliefs.she made a couple of comments that have stuck with me.
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I have a very dear friend who is a JW and I am trying to find a way to open her eyes and make her aware of the bulls**t they spew as "truth". I can sense a hint of doubt In her, but cannot openly talk with her about It. I gave her a copy of CofC, but she didn't read It and now she doesn't trust me.I need to find a way to open her eyes or at least get her thinking without actually mentioning her beliefs.she made a couple of comments that have stuck with me. One was when she said she wished she had never become a JW, but knowing what she knows now, she won't leave. Another was that she longed for the chance to have never known of It. and lastly, If she had any doubt she would leave. This frustrates me to no end and worries the hell out of me. I can't go the direct route with her. I tried and am basically being shunned because of It. She's only 25 and was baptized at 15 and she deserves a better life than this.All she knows Is guilt and fear. If anyones got a suggestion, now is the time. You can check my older posts for the whole story and my email Is open.
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Getting Them To Question
by mackey indoes anyone have a suggestion as to raising questions in the mind of a witness without actually mentioning their beliefs?
i spoke to my jw friend about some concerns i had and got nowhere.
any conversation about her beliefs is seen as an effort to undermine her beliefs.
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Does anyone have a suggestion as to raising questions in the mind of a witness without actually mentioning their beliefs? I spoke to my JW friend about some concerns I had and got nowhere. Any conversation about her beliefs is seen as an effort to undermine her beliefs. Whatever I do It needs to be done very subtly, or I'll lose whatever trust she has left In me. The only contact I have with her Is by writing letters and I want to find something to include In them that would get her to question, or investigate what she's involved with. I know at one time there seemed to be subtle signs of doubt In her, but the mind control has caused her to suppress them.