That is the scheme part. Someone with no work record but papers is a big gamble.
road to nowhere ...
It's a big gamble for who, the student or the company? What are you talking about?
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Do You Think “Higher Education “Is All That??
by minimus inas jehovah’s witnesses, we were regularly told how awful a college education is.
i’m no longer associated with the religion but i am not so pro university.
it’s not because i think you are better off without a degree.
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Do You Think “Higher Education “Is All That??
by minimus inas jehovah’s witnesses, we were regularly told how awful a college education is.
i’m no longer associated with the religion but i am not so pro university.
it’s not because i think you are better off without a degree.
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RubaDub
tApart from the hard sciences, most further education is just a pyramid scheme perpetuated by unions. It's ridiculously expensive for what it is and for anything that is remotely 'modern' tends to be way behind the times.
Simon ...
With all of your knowledge and insight, I can't believe what you are writing here, that further education is "a pyramid scheme" ?????
I think most people would agree with me that the ultimate goal most have in getting "educated" is to get a good job. Again, I said most, there are always exceptions.
Well, to even be considered for that "good job," there is a path that most middle and large companies use to find new employees ..... it is called recruiting on campus. Even some small companies do it.
Near graduation time, many companies come and interview students. They want the best and the brightest. If you have never worked a day in your life but have the "papers" to show your accomplishments, you can often start at a salary greater than what your parents may earn.
Is that a pyramid scheme? I think it is just the way the game is played, no different than Monopoly or Chess.
For most other graduates, the degree is still an important piece of paper to get started or even later in a career. For example, after 10 years, Simon and Rub a Dub have extremely similar work records and accomplishments. We both see a management opportunity at company ABC that pays much more than what we both are currently earning. We both apply for the job.
Put yourself into the shoes of the Human Resource Manager at company ABC. He/she is putting their butt on the line hiring someone at this high salary. The HR manager reports directly to the CEO of the company. Simon does not have an advanced degree but Rub a Dub has a masters degree in IT from a good university. All other things are equal. Which one do you hire????
From the HR standpoint, if compensation was not the main issue, I would definitely hire Rub a Dub. Even if Rub a Dub fails, I have done my due diligence in accessing his qualifications. On the other hand, I may reason that Simon is worth considering since I could likely get him for a lot less money. If Simon works out well, the company saves money and I look really good. However, if Simon doesn't work out, I have a lot of explaining to do as to why I hired him.
Am I not telling the truth? Are there any HR people here? Comments?
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Do You Think “Higher Education “Is All That??
by minimus inas jehovah’s witnesses, we were regularly told how awful a college education is.
i’m no longer associated with the religion but i am not so pro university.
it’s not because i think you are better off without a degree.
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RubaDub
... educated fools running around too. Watch TV news and note the poor grammar, misspellings, and plain ignorance.
road to nowhere ...
Without getting too specific (still "in" and undercover), I got my grad degree fairly early after college. Although my father and grandfather were elders, it was not an issue since I lived about a half hour from the campus (a relatively good State Univ) and just commuted. I even temporary pioneered often while an undergrad to keep the heat off everyone.
Anyway, my wife got her grad degree about 20 years later, in her mid 40's. She did the "every other weekend" thing on site for a year and a half and studied the rest of the time on her own.
I was shocked by some classes in which group work (peer review) was involved in which the writing by many of the students wasn't, in my opinion, even at a high school level. Not just misspellings, but I mean major grammar issues; not knowing when to use "there and their," "accept and except," comparing two things and using "this verses that" instead of using the proper word versus. Come on now, we are not talking about verses in a song! Then the screwing up of the proper verb forms and ... well ... let's just say I was totally shocked. She had four others in her group; one was very good, one was OK, and the other two were not in any way graduate material, at least in the Organizational Behavior course she was taking.
They had to do a final paper reviewing the work of another group. My wife asked me to read it and give my own opinion to her. I started to read it after they all compiled their information together (sort of a bummer to spend my time reading 20 pages of crap). My wife asked me to review it and make the notations in Word for further review by others in her group.
After about four pages, I handed it back to her and said, "Just send it back to the group the way it is. If one of my professors received this from me, I would be fortunate to even pass. I would prefer to just rewrite the whole thing instead of making a million edits." (In full disclosure, my wife is Columbian and went to college there and English is her second language, so I do cut her some slack at times on grammar.)
Anyway, since she is a lot smarter than I am (the little Latina had about a 98.5 score in the class with only the group project left to affect her score). I told her don't worry about it since she was basically going to get an "A" even if the professor marked the project down a lot. In the end, she got her "A" in the course.
Back to the point. I was shocked and appalled by how people at the graduate school level can write so poorly. It is really sad. I am not talking about some degree mills where you send money and receive a degree in the mail. I am talking about a well-respected State University. What are they teaching people in school these days?????
Rub a Dub
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Delete posts. Possible?
by Hairtrigger insimon .
i sent you a pm but, not having received a response, i am assuming you didn't get it.
question.
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RubaDub
Maybe you guys were not keeping up with the suggested donation plan here.
MC / Visa / Amex / PayPal are accepted.
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Do You Think “Higher Education “Is All That??
by minimus inas jehovah’s witnesses, we were regularly told how awful a college education is.
i’m no longer associated with the religion but i am not so pro university.
it’s not because i think you are better off without a degree.
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jp1692 ...
With your education, I am disappointed that you did not use the current 6th edition APA formatting of your references. I see no indentations.
OK, OK, just kidding ... You make your points well and are very well thought out. The quote sandwich from the Economic Policy Institute supported your argument. Overall, excellent.
(20 points of a possible 20 points)
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Do You Think “Higher Education “Is All That??
by minimus inas jehovah’s witnesses, we were regularly told how awful a college education is.
i’m no longer associated with the religion but i am not so pro university.
it’s not because i think you are better off without a degree.
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RubaDub
I think that a good high school education is better than a bad college education. Meaning, if a person learns in HS how to research and find what they are looking for, they are ahead of the curve.
stillin ....
I would disagree with you in many situations.
When seeking a job, mortgage, personal business loan or in other financial situations, there is typically the question on how far you went with your education (high school, some college, college degree, graduate degree, etc.)
In the case of finding a job, a college degree is often one of the prerequisites along with x number years experience in that field. But as time goes on, the college degree becomes less important since you can provide you accomplishments and experience in lieu of the degree.
If you get into the trades, then no, college is not a requirement, but a trade school can be a big plus to get started. Sales often does not require a college degree, but to get your foot in the door it doesn't hurt, especially when competing against others who may have the paper in their hand. Again, as time goes on, the degree becomes less important compared to your accomplishments.
Many professional jobs only interview new people with college degrees. Would you hire a person to be a financial analyst, auditor, human resource manager, engineer or other similar type of position with simply a high school degree? I don't think so, no matter what high school the person went to. High school simply does not cut it. To get your first job, a company may often ask for your transcripts from college showing your grades and which classes you took.
Yes, you can get a very well-rounded education with self-study but proving that to others, especially early on in your career, can be a challenge.
Rub a Dub
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How Many of you Remember Mr. Rogers Neighborhood?
by Sea Breeze injust saw the movie "a beautiful day in the neighborhood" with tom hanks as fred rogers.
excellent acting and story-line.
it brought back many fond memories as a child.
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VIETNAM
by The Fall Guy induring the 60's, vietnam had a xmas feel about it.
ho chi minh had agents all over the place.. minh spies were in every town and village.
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RubaDub
We have Vietnam and Thailand on our bucket list.
Either 2020 or 2021.
Looking forward to it.
Rub a Dub
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2020--Special Meeting with Pioneers!
by Atlantis in2020 special meeting with pioneers (morning session) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k231wmebpb4.
2020 special meeting with pioneers (afternoon session) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnhvwbjsv2w.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/e0gu2z/2020_special_meeting_with_pioneers_morning_and/ .
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Atlantis ...
As always, many, many thanks.
Rub a Dub
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Do You Think “Higher Education “Is All That??
by minimus inas jehovah’s witnesses, we were regularly told how awful a college education is.
i’m no longer associated with the religion but i am not so pro university.
it’s not because i think you are better off without a degree.
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RubaDub
I think the public speaking part was a big plus for JW's when we had the TMS. Now, that is being watered down compared to what is used to be.
JW's simply are not taught to think and analyze issues, rather just learn some things and parrot them back to others. If you can't remember what to say, just tell people to go to JW dot Org to find the answer.
Also, a major weakness that many JW's have is the ability to write. A few good courses in college in the Behavioral Sciences (Organization Behavior, Psychology, etc.) force you to learn to analyze, seek resources, research and then write in proper APA (American Psychological Association) style with properly inserted citations and references. This is typically the standard used for any type of informational or research paper.
APA style is a pain at first with all of the rules for margin width, indentations, double spacing, capitalization, bullet points, citing single authors of a work, two authors, three to six authors, more than six authors, etc. Then, depending on type of work being cited (book, magazine, journal, blog, on-line), when to use proper case, italics, dates, page numbers, editions, etc. etc. etc. And then not writing in first person but in third person active voice. If you have had to write papers which conform to proper APA standards, you know what I mean.
In the end, I still find myself using a lot of the APA stuff for business presentations and I guess it adds a few points to your credibility on what you are talking about when everything is properly structured.
A "standard" JW learning to be a window washer while in high school simply does not learn this.
Rub a Dub