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so, apparently they are saying at assemblies that all bible prophecy except for babylon the great has fallen have been fulfilled.
anyone else heard this?.
Any "Prophecy" that JW's have fulfilled, they have perhaps done themselves...
Replace the league of nations... with the watchtower bible and t, Society.
They are the epidomy of everything that represents the concept of the anti-christ.
Those who have come to you and said "I am without sin, you must follow me, because I know the path you should take to god." .... and most of us believed them.
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i think as time goes on and dna gets understood better and better it will be imposible for fundamental christians to defend thier position against evolution.
kind of like the catholic church going against galileio saying the "earth is not the center of the universe".. "eventually"(maybe not now) to fight against the evidence makes you look very stupid and under heavy mind control.. don't get me wrong i beleive there is a god, and i think he used "gradualism" to create the universe and life, i even feel the first 2 chapter of genesis are discribing a very long drawn out process that took just as evolutionist are telling us, billions of years till finally man appears.. eventually the wt is going to have to change its understanding of genesis to even stay credible..
Some of what I have read here suggests that man.... is the final product.
Life on the planet earth has been changing for millions of years. It is this cycle of life that is the creation. Man is but one form of many. He will continue to grow and change.... Eventually man will not exist in this form. Even your own bible tells you that there will be a new heavens and a new earth.... I mean ....what? Did you think he was just gonna re-create the seven continents or something.... it's all gonna be what it is now.
The earth has truly seen life-changing cataclysms, that force it's inhabitants to change... in order to survive.
The earth will be rid of the current system of things. As dictated by the cycle of life.... everything must "die", so that new life can exist. "Man is not so far above the rest of creation, as he would like to believe". Man has been on earth only a fraction of it's existence. He is even so proud as to believe he can destroy the earth, with pollution and weapons. . . . 100 million years from now... there will be no evidence of your existence here. . . . "Man" himself will exist as a different form.
The bible tells you that God is within you. It is that spiritual connection to the dweller of the heavens, that drives us to seek out a "path to god" in the first place. The doctrine itself is not important... but the wisdom of those before us... is there. Our intelligence as a race, has grown since the bible was written. Perhaps our spiritual developement is about to reach a place, where we no longer need that "ritual" and "rules" that religion now provides us with. Religion.. is the construct of man... Spirituality... is that connection to the dweller of the "heavens" that place that we comprehend, but cannot reach in this form.
Patience. . . in all things.
ps. this is your brain after being raised as a jehovahs witness... you will spend the rest of your life trying to put into words, that wich exists in the "heavens". If you are considering studying with Jehovahs Witnesses, or any of their affiliates... run while you still can.
please excuse all the grammar in the first person, i dont care about it right now.
lol!.
i am in a heated battle right now with the current resident manager of the building i live in.. i have been here for 10 years.
Being a left-over "hair ball" from the eighties, myself... I can appreciate your troubles. I always thought men with short hair looked like someone had snatched up a cat and shaved it... I mean, have you ever SEEN a hairless cat? Very strange... but that is what I see, when I look at short haired men... very strange.
Anyay Good luck! Perhaps Mad'dam's landlord will find herself a life soon.
Besides ... these days... all the punk criminals have these litte cute short hair cuts anyway... it's just a fad. But you cant judge a book Blah Blah Blah...
what to wear to attract the opposite sex
this is from the book how to make anyone fall in love with you.. in a study, both men and women were shown pictures of members of the opposite sex.
some of the people in photos wore chic upscale clothes, and others wore less expensive ones that ranged from cheap to downright cheesy.
Well, my wife's big pink "Bunny foo-foo" bedroom slippers are NOT very attractive.... but I wouldn't kick her outa my bed if she was wearing a potato sack....
Signed: Not That Shallow
jw's love to get involved in non-traditional treatments.
in many of the congregations, the study of iridology was practiced.
scores of "sick" people would have "parties" where they would come and get their eyes "read".
A woman removed a plantars wart from the bottom of my foot one time, by rubbing two halves of a potato on them... when she put the two halves back together she said "when this potato rots, that wart will be gone"... and it was.
The whole lot of them accused me of using Witch-craft. It became a rather large issue in the congregation. No action was taken against me at that time though,
i found this forum whilst perusing the panorama web site.
the link is half way down on the right:.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/2114320.stm.
YES... I WENT TO SEARCH AND TYPED IN : "MY LIFE IS OVER , WHAT IS THE MOST PAINLESS WAY TO DIE"...
I GOT THIS SITE....
I AM FEELING MUCH BETTER NOW.
another weekend's upon us again!
doesn't time fly when you're having fun!.....
or even when you're not, eh?
"This is Elder So and So, and I would like to ENCOURAGE demand, that you join us for a meeting this Sunday. You know it's been two weeks since we have seen you... and we like to ENCOURAGE nag, our friends into showing up. If you have health problems, or family problems, that is ok.. but we still like to encourage you to try to make it, let you know that you need to drop everything else in your life and come be like us".
it's early on a saturday morning and i really couldn't sleep.
so, i'm just rambling on right now.
i got to thinking, are many of the divisions in christianity caused by the writings of the apostle paul?
well, you can make the bible say anything if you read just right. Context. There is a whole lot of wisdom in the bible.... but whether or not, you make it a church doctrine is another thing.
"you should not eat blood".... good advice in those days when undercooked food illnesses were probably rampant... no microwave.... but do you go around letting your child die, if it needs a transfusion? We think not.
The bible does talk about not breaking bread with un-repentant "sinners"or drunkards. This is the scripture that is used to justify Disfellowshipping.... but does the bible really tell us that if someone screws up, and violates a church doctrine that we should totally ignore them? Consider them Dead? I think it says something in there about loving all creations of god, and "I am all things" ... ALL things. How are you going to narrow that down to a specific Idea of what GOD is? Or what petti rituals man should or should not perform in his name. Man has gone further than creating god in his own image.... he puts the words in God's mouth too. Remember what the cover of the thing says in BIG Golden letters......KING JAMES VERSION . A political leader had every say so, about what was written in it. What was allowed to be written. It doesnt say "God's Version". If you ladies will take a moment to remember that this is why it is "your duty before god to obey and .... satisfy, your husbands". All those long nights staring at the ceiling waiting for that fool to do his business... well ya, got good ol King James to thank for that one. If you take a look at nature it is the same thing... the male lion grabs the female by the throat.... and MAKES her do it. This is just man's way.
Since the beginning of man, he has killed, tortured and raped, in the name of GOD. Every war, every dispute, every law is based on someone's Idea of what God wants, or what God thinks is right for man. OR what one man can convince another man to believe that god wants.
So regaurding Paul.... remember that as the owner of a Penis.... it was kinda in his nature to go around telling everybody else how to do it. .... and then every male between then and now has had a chance to add something to it.... so take it at face value... you aren't damned if you can't follow around a bunch of elders.
i strongly believe that it is very difficult to be a good parent in the borg!!
if you think about it, the parents are basically trained to look at their kids as if they are lesser human beings than them..... you know the old head of the house crap!!.
i know from my personal experience, i was df'd in 1992, but i never made the definite decision to never go back until 1997. .
I am certainly no Advocate of JW's, as I lost my entire family to them twenty years ago. I can only speak from my personal experience. My parents believed all the things you have spoken about... honor, obey, spair the rod... etc.
But they raised me to respect them, and I do. It may be a part of the whole "mind control" thing, but I have to say they filled me with a sense of conceince that I dont often find in others. While my father taught me the doctrine of Jw's, both my parents were careful to include a true spiritual surrounding. I have since then, found my own path to the dweller in the great beyond; but I believe without the foundation they provided me with.... I would not be so confident in my own beliefs today.
I think in today's society, perhaps they are a "necesary evil" of sorts. I mean we cant just let the whole world run loose without morality, and conceince. Not that these people are any more moral than any other religion.You find screw ups in everything produced by man. There are those people though, that are not capable of finding that for themselves, and must be taught by a firm hand.
It was perhaps SURVIVING my parents religion, that made me the strong and independent person that I am now. So, do I plan on running my kid out to the nearest Kingdom Hall, to teach him or her a thing or two about life? NO. . . But I have always hoped that if my wife and I, have children of our own, that we could provide the same... intensity, of spirituality.... that I had growing up. A respect for the beauty of the earth, and willingness to treat others with kindness, regaurdless of what color they are.
So, respect? I dont know if I ever thought of it in those terms or not... but they did do something right. Even if their methods made my teen age life a living hell. Do the ends, justify the means , is maybe a better question. I dont know.. that's my two cents.
i found this site a few days ago.
it has been the greatest therapy.
for the first time in twenty years, i have just been given the opprutunity to "let it all out" and answer to every issue i ever had with these folks.
Thank You all for a very relieving bunch of posts..... now I know. Someone said for me to tell you about myself.... my jw history is basically explained in the thread titled "faking it to keep my family" back on the 16th or the 17th of this month.
Other than that I am an a Mural Artist, 33 year old Male, Married to a lovely British Woman (who was raised Church of England, and was blessed to never actually meet a JW) with one son, I play the Glass Flute (search: Hall Crystal Flutes to see one and hear a sample), I also play the piano, and run my own art company Kat Newmas Productions. Kat is a pen-name, my first name is really Timmy, but that doesnt sell my work. I specialize in Nudes (male and female) because pictures of mountains and flowers and pussy cats are so cliche, but for the right price I'll paint the pope milking a purple cow if that is what you need. The pic next to my name is me nude... it was a photo shoot in the woods for a promotional art campaign, entitled "Kat Newmas: In His Natural Environment". I love cats, and have chosen to follow all their examples regaurding life... avoid the humans, until you absolutely have to go near them.
I love to meet and correspond with new people. Always open to friends of any race or religion. . . And I cannot express enough gratitude to the creator of this site, and all the people who participate in it.
