| If someone disassociated themselves from the Watchtower Society due to research that convinced them that The Watchtower was erroneous on many issues and yet still felt convinced that Jehovah is much more gracious with regards to salvation than what we learned through the Watchtower, is it possible for such a one to get reinstated, even if they did not believe numerous things that the Watchtower teaches?
But is this possible if someone still does not believe that certain doctrines the Watchtower teaches are Bible based (i.e.: 1914, blood transfusions, disfellowshipping, etc)? Can you suggest how disfellowshipped or disassociated ones might get reinstated without lying or losing their integrity? |
That is a difficult situation. First, you must consider the possibility that you are in error as well. When Jesus wrote to the seven congregations of his anointed ones, he twice mentioned that he hated the deeds of the sect of Nicolaus. Since Jesus' words were actually directed to the remnant of the anointed ones who would be living during the Lord's day, it indicates that there is a sectarian influence within the organization up until the time that Christ removes "all person doing lawlessness." Since such a divisive influence is not commonly recognized in the Society presently, it makes everyone more susceptible to it. Clearly, though, Jesus intended to alert his disciples to the danger of being misled from within the congregation. "Let he who has an ear hear what the spirit says." Since Nicolaus was apparently a prominent person, he must symbolize an influential individual today that has a following within Christ's congregation. Unquestionably, Ray Franz and his sympathizers fit the profile of the modern day sect of Nicolaus. He, being a former member of the Governing Body, has an insider's credibility that he has used to draw thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses out of the organization. The modern-day sect's issues with the Watchtower are: 1914, blood transfusions, and disfellowshipping, etc. So, since the spirit reveals to those with ears to hear that there is a sectarian influence in the organization up until Jehovah's judgment is leveled, and since that sect's influence is in evidence to those with eyes to see, it would be wise on your part to make sure that you have not fallen victim to the evil influence of the modern day sect of Nicolaus. The main thing for all of us, whether in the truth or out of the truth, as the expression goes, is to have a close personal relationship with Jehovah and strong faith. Being disfellowshipped or disassociated, or alienated from the congregation in some other way, doesn't necessarily mean that we are also disfellowshipped from God, nor does it mean that we are disqualified from salvation or cut off from God. When Paul advised the Corinthian congregation to remove the wicked brother from their midst, he said that the purpose of that drastic action was for the 'destruction of the flesh so that the spirit might be saved.' So, according to Paul being expelled from the congregation, while harsh, was not a death sentence provided that the individual took the discipline and, in effect, destroyed his fleshly desires that had led him into sin. Since sectarianism is also considered a work of the flesh, it would be well for persons who find themselves in the predicament that you describe, to reevaluate their situation and put forth an effort to humbly trust God to set all matters straight within his organization. Has anyone read any of the questions and answes from this Watchman site? Who is this man? Highlighted info above caught my attention. Any thoughts?
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Ray Franz, DF DA & non JW's Salvation
by livingagain inif someone disassociated themselves from the watchtower society due to research that convinced them that the watchtower was erroneous on many issues and yet still felt convinced that jehovah is much more gracious with regards to salvation than what we learned through the watchtower, is it possible for such a one to get reinstated, even if they did not believe numerous things that the watchtower teaches?
but is this possible if someone still does not believe that certain doctrines the watchtower teaches are bible based (i.e.
: 1914, blood transfusions, disfellowshipping, etc)?
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UN FINDS WMD...OK saddam lovers, what now?
by dolphman inok lets hear your pathetic excuses.
c'mon now don't be shy.
let's hear what you have to say.
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livingagain
Have you ever wondered if perhaps another world power may be ready to go off the scene.? I believe history teaches lessons but most fail to learn.Having the best military might does not gurantee victory if it is time for a world power to go. Somewhere along the way I think most in this nation think that being the greatest is a guarantee to longivity. World powers have come on the scene and gone and so will this one no matter what. Who can stop it? What brought most of them down? Was it not arrogance and haughtiness that that they could not be defeated? The greatest world power on earth can be defeated and whether you want to believe or accept it this will happen the only question is WHEN? Just my thoughts on this matter.
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Atlanta ,Georgia
by livingagain inis there anyone in the atlanta, georgia area?
i am about 50 miles n/e of there.
give me a holler on here please.
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About 50 miles northeast of Atlanta. Athens
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Atlanta ,Georgia
by livingagain inis there anyone in the atlanta, georgia area?
i am about 50 miles n/e of there.
give me a holler on here please.
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livingagain
Is there anyone in the Atlanta, Georgia area? I am about 50 miles n/e of there. Give me a holler on here please.
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Some will go back
by JH ini would like to know how many people here are thinking of going back to the hall if the elders go and visit them.
we had stories of people telling the elders that they had enough and wanted to get out.
on the other hand, i am sure a few will go back, but we will not hear their stories as much because they fear the reaction of this board.
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livingagain
I was blind but now I see! Nev v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v vv vv v ver!
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phone call from witness
by livingagain ini got a phone call from a jw i met when i moved here 10 months ago.
she always sat by herself in the hall and looked so out of it.
well one meeting i mentioned clients and she asked me what kind of clients and i went on th tell her i worked with mental health.
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I got a phone call from a jw I met when i moved here 10 months ago. She always sat by herself in the hall and looked so out of it. Well one meeting I mentioned clients and she asked me what kind of clients and I went on th tell her I worked with mental health. She wanted to know how she could get an appointment with the clinic, which led me to invite her to lunch and found through conversation that she had recently come to the congregation because she had left an abusive marriage the same as me. A month or so later I missed seeing her and no one at the hall even noticed she wasn't attending, so i went to the hall where she told me she was from in the next town and there she was with the husband. She had told me some awful abuse stories, him pulling a gun on her more than once, and she left because he had put a knife to her throat,her adult sons intervened and she felt for their safety so she left. Well, when I saw her at the hall in her town I could see she was miserable. She told me the elders said he was coming to the hall, studying and was doing good so she should come back so she did.
Well, I hadn't heard from her in months and out of the blue she called me this morning wondering if she should have stayed gone because it makes it harder when you go back and things are really no better, you just fool your self. Anyway,she talked about David giving help to Nabal and then he refused to help David so David was going to kill him but Nabalwife Abigail intervened and stopped David. Now she said that no matter how bad Nabal treated Abigail she gave no thought to leaving him so she should be like her and do the same and Armageddon will be here soon so she just needs to endure. Can't believe i talked the same kind of nonsense too.
I got started and tried to tell her everthing from A-Z on what I've learned about Jw's, told her I quit attending meetings months ago and was now free to make my own decisions and was not going to allow JW"s to rule my life any more. She started rambling on about listening to the faithful and discreet slave and this is Jehovah's orginization and a whole bunch of mindless JW stuff. I finally told her that in the end no orginization is going to save anyone. She made up an excuse to get off the phone when I started talking about JW's sounded scared of me said she had to go. I know I piled it on too thick too soon, I wish I could have slowly eased into it over time, now I don't think she will talk to me again because she is scared.
I see now just how mind controlled we really were I wonder will she tell our conversation to the JW's and I get a visit because I have not heard from them since I quit going to the hall in August. I wanted to just fade away but if not so be it.
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Birthday Celebration
by livingagain insenator trent lot is in hot water over his statements.
where did it happen?
at a birthday party!
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Senator Trent Lot is in hot water over his statements. Where did it happen? At a BIRTHDAY PARTY! Think the JW's noted that?
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Birthday Today!
by livingagain inposted this in jw news and events but meant to post it here.. please read and give your comments.
i have been on this new job for the past 10 months and when i went there i was still a loyal jw and told them i did not celebrate holidays and birthdays.
being a wt slave for the past 27 years just recently (4/5 months) took off the physical chains but still have the mental shackles on to a degree.
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livingagain
Posted this in JW News and Events but meant to post it here.
Please read and give your comments. I have been on this new job for the past 10 months and when i went there i was still a loyal JW and told them I did not celebrate holidays and birthdays. Being a WT slave for the past 27 years just recently (4/5 months) took off the physical chains but still have the mental shackles on to a degree. Anyway my boss mentioned my birthday yesterday to me and i said i don't celebrate it but this year i am thinking of doing so. Listen to these words of a wordly woman! She said i don't celebrate mine either as far as parties or anything but i take the time to thank God that he has allowed me to live another year and think how i might use the life he has given me to make improvements for the future and to be of service him and others. Boy I thought that was unique and from a wordly woman at that! So today i am celebrating 53 years of life and FREEDOM! NO LONGER A SLAVE PHYSICALLY AND WORKING ON MENTALLY! Thanks for listening.
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Birthday Today!
by livingagain inplease read this and give me your comments.
i have been on this new job for the past 10 months and when i went there i told them all i did not celebrate holidays and birthdays.
being a wt slave for the past 27 years i just recently(4-5months) took the physical chains off but still have the mental shackles on to a degree.
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Please read this and give me your comments. I have been on this new job for the past 10 months and when i went there I told them all I did not celebrate holidays and birthdays. Being a WT slave for the past 27 years I just recently(4-5months) took the physical chains off but still have the mental shackles on to a degree. Anyway my boss mentioned my birthday yesterday to me and I said I don't celebrate it but this year I am thinking of doing so. Listen to this, she said I don't celebrate mine either as far as parties or anything but I take the time to thank God that he has allowed me to live another year and how I might use the life he has given me to make improvements in it and to to be of service to others. Boy! I thought that was unique. So today I am celebrating 53 years of life and FREEDOM! NO LONGER A SLAVE PHYSICALLY AND WORKING ON MENTALLY! Thanks for Listening.
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I think printing is large part of income for WTBS, but i believe they have their hand in much more. What favors(money) did they curry by linking up with UN? I don't think we know the half yet on this bunch, they are as dirty as can be.Corporate heads in th news lately tell the story. Seem to recall an illustration they had in one of the books talking about a buisnessman seeming to be good upfront but crooked behind the scenes. "Love of money is the root of all sorts of injurious things" according to their NWT. All fits them well to my idea.