In regards to Organization, some may not correctly understood what the real effect of the aged Brotherhood is going to have on the Witness population. We all know that half the Brothers in our congregations are already in their 60's and many are touching their 70's. When they die, they'll do it en masse and crash the viability of most Kingdom Halls in the modern world. With no new blood coming in; it will become a very hollow religion very quickly.
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The Watchtower Org will die.
by Freeandclear ini was just reading through some posts and had a startling realization.. the comment that sparked this went something like this: why oh why when i started into this in 1989 did i not research the history of the wtbts?
etc....... i too was studying and moving towards baptism around that same time.
i got dunked in dec of 1990.. my thought.
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What do you think is the source of your consciousness? Can it be copied or transferred?
by EndofMysteries inthis seems to be a question that even scientifically is still in the air.
right now your consciousness, is it the physical part of the brain?
the electrical signals in the brain?
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I've thought about this for some time and while I don't have an answer, it has a direct link to the resurection hope and the question wether or not we have a soul. The way I see it is that if Jehovah remembers every single detail of us (down to arrangement of our sub-atomic particals) but there is no physical/spiritual/electrochemical linkage between our old body and the new one; then in reality the newly resurected person will only be a very exact clone of ther person who died. That person will swear he is the same person, he'll have the same memories, feeling and desires but is in reality, only a good copy. As mentioned before in the 6 day cloning issues. However if the soul does exist, then could be simply put back into a new shell. There was the term "soul sleep" disscussed in the passed to address some theological problems; but if the soul dosen't exist, i can't see how the consciousness of a person can be transfered. And if a clone was made, then the person would only be resurected metaphotically speaking. -
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1950 Watchtower Bound Volume now Complete!
by Atlantis inthe 1950 september 15th watchtower is now complete and this will finish the 1950 watchtower bound volume.
a big thank you to jaydee for all of his hard work of scanning the watchtowers into jpg files which i received and converted into pdf files and made them searchable.
jaydee worked day and night to get these files finished for us and i really appreciate his kindness... we only had to darken out one name on one shipping label.
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I think that the reason for doing such a huge project would be to prevent the Organisation rewriting history by editing the digital copies. Also most people dont have all the physical issues and with time getting a whole set will be getting more difficult as they degrade with time. -
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1950 Watchtower Bound Volume now Complete!
by Atlantis inthe 1950 september 15th watchtower is now complete and this will finish the 1950 watchtower bound volume.
a big thank you to jaydee for all of his hard work of scanning the watchtowers into jpg files which i received and converted into pdf files and made them searchable.
jaydee worked day and night to get these files finished for us and i really appreciate his kindness... we only had to darken out one name on one shipping label.
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Is it the goal of you guys to scan all the post 1950's Watchtower magazines?
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Movement by the Australian Government
by no-zombie inin responce to the royal commission into institutional responses to child sexual abuse held in australia last year, the state government of new south wales has passed legislation that removes the time limit on civil claims for child sexual abuse.
while not applying to the whole of australia, its likely that the other state will follow nsw's example shortly.
for those living outside of australia, it may be interesting to note that nsw is australia's largest state (by population) and therefore should cover approximately 30% of the country's of child abuse victims.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-16/legislative-changes-remove-time-limit-for-child-abuse-victims/7172562.
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In responce to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse held in Australia last year, the State government of New South Wales has passed legislation that removes the time limit on civil claims for child sexual abuse. While not applying to the whole of Australia, its likely that the other state will follow NSW's example shortly. For those living outside of Australia, it may be interesting to note that NSW is Australia's largest state (by population) and therefore should cover approximately 30% of the country's of child abuse victims.
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Midweek meeting
by loneranger inalmost two months into the change in format of the mid week meeting from the school and service meeting format to the christian life and ministry (clam) format.
in my congregation, seems attendance is down 10-15% over the normally low attendance for the mid week meeting before the change.
some indicate that the meeting under the clam format is very "intense"...you really need to study and research to be able to participate or get anything out of the meetings.
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And I thought that it was just me. In our congregation, here in Australia it's the same. The normaly lower attendance is even slightly lower. Only by 2 or 3 mind you but still its noticable. Additionally, meeting participation is definatly lower with the conductor having to almost beg for answers. -
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What's next?
by Grey Goose inhi everyone.. thanks for the welcome a few days ago, it was nice to hear your support.. this is a pure speculation thread, but what do you think the next changes are going to be?.
will we see tything come into play?.
more evangelical style meetings?.
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Going by past behaviour, the Governing Body will continue to work in a re-active manner as opposed to the problem solving pro-active path that is needed to stop the rot that is fast eating grass roots support. Deluded and totally isolated from the real world of the average publisher, I expect the Governing Body to continue tinkering at the edges theologically while adding just a bit more "bling" to keep the drugged masses happy. But the problem of going down the road of being "new-and-improve" is that past changes quickly go stale and the Brotherhood, like drug adicts, will requiring biger and bigger hits to keep the hype of Jehovah's blessing rolling along. Unfortunatley, there is no happy ending for the Governing Body. Unlike Damocles who had only one sword over his head, the Governing Body has many and sooner or latter one of those threads will snap bringing catostroic changes to system of worship long time witnesses have always known. -
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Need advice
by Darkknight757 inhi.i've been pouring over this site for the past few days looking for some advice and i hope there is someone here that can help a guy out.
i'm desperate.....short bio: i came into the organization after high school and shortly after married a wonderful girl who was born-in.we have been happily married now for nearly 20 years and things were well until 2015 hit.
by the way, i currently serve as an elder and have the ""privilege"" of being the "watchtower overseer".. either here nor there, we were told we would never have children but late last year my wife became prego!!
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Hi Darkknight757,
It sounds like you are quite stressed about what going on around you and while you may feel like you are going to pop, the best thing you can do at the moment is to fake it until you know what you really want to do. Many of us here are in your shoes, either currently serving as elders or ex-elders with wives still in the organization. It a hard problem when the people we love don't understand things as we do, that for sure. And because it would be wrong for me to tell you what to do, I have decided not to tell my wife everything and just slow down theocraticly and wait for the organization to implode and be there to pick up the pieces. Of course i'm viewed at lazy but for me and my circumstances better that other alternatives out there, as you know. Hang in there, you'll work it out.
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Intriguing - but Unsubstantiated!
by The Searcher inaccording to one source on a western european 'apostate' website, the org's plan is to abandon the name "jehovah's witnesses" in the future, and replace it with "worshippers of jehovah.".
http://www.bruderinfo-aktuell.de/index.php/fixnews/#comment-4313 .
the gist of the account appears to be a repeat of rutherford's re-branding and debunking of old predictions made by the previous shower of fakers.
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The whole issue of renaming the Organization would have a lot of benefits (as discussed already) however there is always risks associated with it because the GB cannot go back once they've pulled the pin. However, we all know that the Organization will die in its present form, something which they must know too. So, in some ways the GB doesn't have much to loose. And if it goes all pear shaped and large numbers of brothers do drop off; they could write in a few years time that its was a part of a great 'sorting' work or link it to the words of Matthew 24:10-12.
On a side point however, if the name change did go ahead, could you be disfellowshiped by an organization that doesn't exist anymore? Just thinking.
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Introducing...ME
by Heartsafire inlong time lurker here.
i'm a fifth gen born-in baptized jw.
to say i've been struggling with doubts is an understatement.
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Hi Heartsafire,
A lot of us here have wives or husbands who are still fully committed to the organization. I love my wife and we've been married a very long time but unfortunately she just doesn't want to see what going on. And while many have already given some advice, I have a little too. Use this site to vent or ask questions. Its helped me a lot to come to terms with the fact that I'm not alone in the way I'm thinking. And in regards to your husband, you know that most witnesses do try to do the right thing and I'm sure he is trying too. But trying to change how someone else thinks is very hard indeed and may only cause other unintended problems. Clearly though, the society is dying and recently events has shown it has taken a turn for the worse. I'm hoping is that soon, it will become so obvious that the things are not right that even the most die hard brother or sister will see it. And we can be there to pick up the pieces when our family finally catch on. Hope its been helpful.
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