It's just another example of Theocratic Warfare; where it's quite ok to deceive and lie to people for the sake of Kingdom advancement. And its very sad that even here, we need to be careful. But for the sake of our freeness of speech, it would be wisest course to always keep our personal details out the posts we make.
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Warning: Watchtower computer dept. registers accounts on Ex-JW sites, coerces people to divulge their personal details
by WTS Archive inwe had a bad experience with watchtower trying to infiltrate our forums.
let this story be a warning for all you guys here.
if you value your privacy do not ever send your real contact details to anyone, even if you trust them (because their accounts could be hacked or accessed by their relatives - and yes, this happened to people i know several times already).
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Appointed men must be exemplary in heeding the warnings given by the faithful slave Governing Body when it comes to higher education.
by oppostate in.
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While this information is not new, is this new post based on a very recent CO visit or not? The reason why I ask is this. The talks given during a CO visit today have been revises so that the only ones presented are scripted from the Organization. So unless this is an old video or this CO is just talking out of his bum, it would appear to be another push by the GB. Can 'oppostate' confirm the video's age?
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What will happen when they go full cult mode
by RobertT18 inand they start delivering their message of judgment?
what do you think will happen when they start knocking on doors and telling people that their families will be killed in armageddon because they did not believed in jehovah.
i'm curious how people will react.
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Its quite an interesting question when you think about it. How would the Witness population react if the GB went into full on crazy mode? When I think about the congregation I go to here in Australia, I think that while there might be a week or two of excitement, most would back off and water down any hard core message they were told to say. And I wager that any hard core actions demanded by the GB wouldn't be done at all. This is because Witnesses today are spoon feed spiritual babies. And without the self-researched bible based conviction that generations of long ago may of had, I doubt that many at all today would REALLY sacrifice their job, their house or their physical things in blind obedience to the organization, let alone stand up to a squad of riot police or pass the firing squad test. How many do you know would stand up and be the 'tank man' of Tienanmen Square? Very few I expect.
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Turn out the lights the party is over
by Crazyguy ini think the reason the borg really went on a cost cutting move and is selling off all thier buildings has become obvious.
the cult is telling people that there fast growing but then the numbers seem to indicate about a 1% growth rate.
this would give them roughly 800,000 new baptized ones in ten years give or take do to the small increase per year from previous gains.
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While we have the benefit of hindsight, the die for the society's demise was clearly set when it changed from being a bible focused organization to a publishing (printing) company. High on the belief that the mass production of magazines was going save mankind, all that it ended up making was the cheap plastic judeo-christian clones we see around us today. Ones who in reality can't even help themselves, let a lone other people.
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Congregation witch hunt?
by dothemath inheard about a congregation recently that had a local needs talk regarding going to the elders if any wrongdoing had happened, or if you knew of someone involved.. mostly they were concerned with over-indulging in alcohol, but the elder emphasized "the need to get help from elders, or your spirituality would be harmed".
(words to that effect).
so now there's brothers and sisters running to see these guys, and likely over stuff that happened maybe years ago.. funny thing is the brother telling me about it said there's been several meetings now where people's names are read from the platform, and it looks like it'll be going on for a while.. i think if your conscience was bothering you, you would be better off being catholic, at least your only confessing to one person instead of being shamed in front of eveyone..
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This is the typical method used by congregational elders when they perceive that "Jehovah has withdrawn his spirit from the congregation". Done if the congregation's field service and meeting attendances have taken a dive or they have heard things are going one but there's nothing tangible, this method is like fishing with dynamite. You throw it into the lake and to see what bubbles up. In reality it hardly works and elders generally are swamped with guilty consciences from petty problems. I've seen it used a few times in my life but the hard core "sinners" rarely come out by choice.
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What is the real purpose of attending your JC?
by StarTrekAngel ini was compelled to ask this question because i have seen several of the youtube videos on jcs.
on striking similarity among all these videos is that most of the people bringing the arguments to the elders are pretty much atheists or have turned to another religion altogether.. i can easily see that the common concern in most of the people involved, is their ability to keep in touch with family and friends, which by all means would be my concern as well, when and if i ever end up in one.. however, i can't help but to notice something.
it is difficult enough to think of the day that the wt would accept a loose canon in their ranks, let alone someone who openly claims to no longer believe in god.
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When I have read some questions about Judicial Committees in the past, many fail to realize that if you are called to go before one, the elder body already has enough "evidence" to Disfellowship you. As an ex-elder, I can say three things. The first one is that (as previously mentioned) all sins can be forgiven except the failure to believe in the Governing Body and very, very quickly the questions asked of you will turn in that direction. Secondly, most elders will turn off and end the Judicial Committee if you try to made the Judaical Committee meeting into a forum to justify or prove your position. And thirdly, if you even start to mention that you don't want to loose your family, even with tears, its really over ... that's worldly sadness; not Godly sadness and you'll be done. The only thing that's going to save your bacon it to go in the back back room is to fall on your sword and and say "Mea Culpa". This is because Elders are drilled over and over again to keep the congregation clean and if you fail the loyalty test questions, there is no maneuvering room left for you.
That's unless you an elder's son or daughter where historically things tend to go a little different.
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Contempt of court, case in San Diego county really disgusts me!
by Crazyguy inthis case has to be talked about by ever awake jw every apostate everyone.
this case because they refuse to hand over documents the court already knows they have because they handed them over before but heavily redacted, is the icing on the cake!
this case shows thier evil plain and simple.
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To Vidiot
I do hope so ... for the victims sake. They need to be able to move on.
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Contempt of court, case in San Diego county really disgusts me!
by Crazyguy inthis case has to be talked about by ever awake jw every apostate everyone.
this case because they refuse to hand over documents the court already knows they have because they handed them over before but heavily redacted, is the icing on the cake!
this case shows thier evil plain and simple.
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Look I'm sorry guys but that list is never going to see the light day, as much as I would like it to be. They sooner delete it than let it out.
And why? For starters, just how many many names are on that list? And how must does it cost just to settle one abuse case these days; i'm guessing 1.5 million on average. Do the maths and you'll see that it will bankrupt the Organization despite the recent property sales.
And what about the unknown number of new abuse claims that will emerge when those previously silent victims realize that their perpetrator has been allowed to molest others kids too. There will be quite a few who have kept quite in the past for Jehovah's name. That's got to be factored in as well.
Some might say, they could start selling Kingdom Halls for the extra cash. But that's not going to work either. Because the one thing that kept the whole child abuse scandal under the radar of most of the brothers is the fact that they haven't heard about it or it's viewed as an isolated problem somewhere far away. But start selling a congregation's hall by force and it will touch the brotherhood personally, forcing them to ask some painfully hard questions.
And think of the very real repercussions when the names of those pedophiles become known. Even if there was no-one in your congregation named, how much general trust would remain? Any brother seen patting the head of one the congregation's children or handing out sweets after the meeting to them, would instantly become a leper or worse.
No ... it would be game-over and they know it. They will pay the fine no matter what the cost or who has to be thrown in the bus to keep it secret.
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Very dark and confusing info...
by sp74bb insome internal sources in jw.org has brought me attention to the following data:.
- in which european country, not member of the eu, and well known for their banking industry, jw.org and some affiliated structures do maintain some business incorporated structures and companies?.
- which is the purpose of these business and company structures?.
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I have to agree with WingCommander on this one. I visit this site because of those ones who selflessly post what they know so we all can benefit. I get strung along enough at the Kingdom Hall. But in regards to Swiss bank accounts and the like ... well every big company one (or something like it). Its not illegal. And even if the Organization has one, knowledge of isn't going to be enough to wake up my mentally trapped family anyway.
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A question about the animated videos
by no-zombie inhas anyone found out who really produces the animated videos of caleb and sophia?
are the made in-house or contracted outside?.
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Has anyone found out who really produces the animated videos of caleb and sophia? Are the made in-house or contracted outside?