It does sound to me more like they are preparing the Brotherhood for some more "new light".
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The org. Came out with a Christmas song!!!!
by nowwhat? inholy nativity batman!
on jw broadcasting.
final song for this year's convention.
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The problem here is that, the Governing Body has turned the WatchTower movement into an American centric religion, and as such have formulated its rules accordingly. But America is not the whole world. For example here in Australia, our views on nationalism and how we express it is completely different. As a result most Witness youths (me included) never had much an issue over the flag or the National anthem.
But like DesirousOfChange said, you always get those few who insist on making a point of things, on both sides of the fence.
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The Times of Restoration of All Things
by no-zombie ini thought of something during last weekend's wt study article, that made me think that perhaps we are on the wrong track on how the governing body is going to handle the whole 607-1914 thing.in paragraph 9 it referred to the the messianic kingdom rule as a period as called 'times of restoration of all things' taken from acts 3:21. this period of 'restoration', started in 1914 with jesus becoming king in heaven, and led to pure worship being restored 'soon after that'.and it was the last comment, that got me going.you see, in previous wt study articles (and i went through the 1990-2024 references) this term of 'times of restoration' was applied rather generally and more like a description of what jesus and jehovah was going to do during the messianic rule, rather than a formal title and a fulfillment of prophesy.however, what if the governing body keeps 1914 as jesus' invisible crowning ... but dumps 1918 as the date for the beginning of true worship?
firstly this paragraph reinforces the previously announced removal of russell being a part of the slave class, for obvious reasons.
but if 'true worship' had a soft start around the 1920s and making that the elastic part, then the embarrassment of his teachings and maybe even rutherford's, all of it could be excused as the speech of john the baptist.
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I thought of something during last weekend's WT study article, that made me think that perhaps we are on the wrong track on how the Governing Body is going to handle the whole 607-1914 thing.
In paragraph 9 it referred to the the Messianic Kingdom rule as a period as called 'times of restoration of all things' taken from Acts 3:21. This period of 'restoration', started in 1914 with Jesus becoming King in Heaven, and led to pure worship being restored 'soon after that'.
And it was the last comment, that got me going.
You see, in previous WT study articles (and I went through the 1990-2024 references) this term of 'times of restoration' was applied rather generally and more like a description of what Jesus and Jehovah was going to do during the Messianic rule, rather than a formal title and a fulfillment of prophesy.
However, what if the Governing Body keeps 1914 as Jesus' invisible crowning ... but dumps 1918 as the date for the beginning of true worship?
Firstly this paragraph reinforces the previously announced removal of Russell being a part of the slave class, for obvious reasons. But if 'true worship' had a soft start AROUND the 1920s and making THAT the elastic part, then the embarrassment of his teachings and maybe even Rutherford's, all of it could be excused as the speech of John the Baptist. In effect saying. "Yeh, they had a good heart but the real out pouring of the Holy Spirit came latter". And secondly and perhaps more importantly, by breaking the linkage between 1914 and 1918-9, they can still keep 607BCE and the major part of the 70 weeks of years prophesy, without upsetting those who have known this understanding for years.
Of course, future WT articles may clarify this topic, and I could be completely wrong. But I just thought this might be a way out for the Writing Committee problems in dealing with our early Adventist teachings and the more bombastic decisions of the past. -
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I think I know what the GB is doing
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inread:.
but if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘my master is delaying,’b 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves and to eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards.
hmm... let's see is anyone on the governing body a strict master and a drunkard?
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I see that laying down the 'evil slave' card can be a practical thing for the Governing Body to use one day, as part of a purge. However, I also think that its a one time use ploy. As the Brotherhood would get suspicious quite quickly, if the Governing Body just kept using it to get rid of guys that embarrassed them.
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Super Duper Awkward
by Slidin Fast indid anyone else find the teen section on the meeting tonight massively cringeworthy?
i saw two kids who will be laughing stocks for life after their world wide exposure.
complete exploitation in my opinion, unforgivable..
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What makes these videos obviously stupid, is the portrayal of worldly people as being either, a violent criminal or a sexual deviant, which even Witness teenagers know that this is not true, particularly at school.
You see, when I was in High School, the student body (like the broader community it represented) was stratified into different social groups. You had your sporting jocks, the trendy rich girls, the poor, the anti-social types (like today's Goths and Emos), the Greek kids, the Italians and the list went on ... none of which would be seen dead, in the company of the others. But what about the over-sexed students so often described in Watchtower productions? Well I'm sure they existed at my school, as they must have been in all others, but percentage wise (once you deducted everyone else), were not an large group by any means. And they (like everyone else) kept to themselves.
Personally for me as a Witness, high school was sort of ok. I was one of the library nerdy types and I had a couple of worldly friends, who like me, kept apart from the others in our own little corner playing chess during lunch.
But yes, it is true that more kids are having sex than in the past, but it's not as much as people think. In fact, most sociologists will tell you that, conservative moral values are once more on the rise in the West. Which deflates the whole narrative the Governing Body likes to push. That's why I feel quite confident in saying that 95% of high school students today are more worried about Friday's math test, than hooking up with Jodie or Brad after class.
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Prediction: no more changes for a long while
by slimboyfat ini’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.
so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.
maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.
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That might me true slimboyfat but I'd wager to say that those other churches are just maintaining buildings, Where as the Organization, now has a massive IT network to support plus their video production plans. And when the boomers die off, they will find themselves more financially squeezed than other faiths.
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Super Duper Awkward
by Slidin Fast indid anyone else find the teen section on the meeting tonight massively cringeworthy?
i saw two kids who will be laughing stocks for life after their world wide exposure.
complete exploitation in my opinion, unforgivable..
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If it is the video part on the Service Meeting about premarital sex, then yeh ... it was quite sad. Its about the life experience of two youths in high school (a boy and a girl) and their efforts to resist the sex crazy students, they have to fight off every day. A classic line in the video was "...I have to run out of the classroom, just like Joseph did because of Potipha's wife ...". What more can I say.
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Prediction: no more changes for a long while
by slimboyfat ini’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.
so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.
maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.
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I was meaning ...
If there is a 'plan' to just reform the Church enough evade some government legislation, ultimately the Faith will still collapse because as we know, more people are leaving (from one way or another) than coming in. However if the 'plan' is more than wallpaper and actually tries to address some of its serious weakness (of which there are many) then there is some hope that the religion might continue. Unfortunately, the window of opportunity is rapidly closing, as even now, most believers are already acting as PIMOs ... which I find rather funny.
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Prediction: no more changes for a long while
by slimboyfat ini’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.
so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.
maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.
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While we are all hopeful of seeing more changes. For me, if one more set of changes is released, then the so-called '10 year plan' is a real thing. There might not be a literal 'plan', but it will show a deliberate move by the Governing Body to reshape the face of the Organization.
But, whether it will deep enough or quick enough to do any good ... is another thing entirely.
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I was thinking of this very thing, when the topic of JW Lite started being discussed. And I thought that buried within our voluminous catechism of teachings, there lies perhaps only 10 core religious concepts and the rest (perhaps 100 or so) exist as behavioral rules.
Its much like trying to button down the Jewish belief system in Jesus' day. I doubt few ordinary Jews actually knew what they believed in much detail, but what they did know, was not the cross the laws of the Pharisees.