According to John 3:13, "no one has ascended to heaven". I've been wondering what this means, does it mean that no one but Jesus ascended to heaven and came back to explain celestial things?
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John 3:13
by ClassAvenger inaccording to john 3:13, "no one has ascended to heaven".
i've been wondering what this means, does it mean that no one but jesus ascended to heaven and came back to explain celestial things?
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what is the # 1 reason people join the JW's ??? what attracts people ???
by run dont walk inbeing brought up in the borg, i always envied my friends that did not have to go in service, go to meetings, and waste their weekends away, i have never really been able to understand why someone would join the jw's unless they were born (forced) into it.
aside from maybe coming from an abusive lifestyle or relationship, or had serious drug/alcohol problems, this i could understand how the religion helped them get back on track.
so why do people join ???
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ClassAvenger
Anyone here an ex-JW who is now attending a Christian church? If so, in which did you feel more comfortable?
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what is the # 1 reason people join the JW's ??? what attracts people ???
by run dont walk inbeing brought up in the borg, i always envied my friends that did not have to go in service, go to meetings, and waste their weekends away, i have never really been able to understand why someone would join the jw's unless they were born (forced) into it.
aside from maybe coming from an abusive lifestyle or relationship, or had serious drug/alcohol problems, this i could understand how the religion helped them get back on track.
so why do people join ???
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ClassAvenger
Even though I have never been in the sect, I like their door-to-door preaching. It's a good way to preach the Word of God to the people. (Of course, theirs is not really the Word of God, but the Word of the Org). On the matter of 'a feeling of belonging', from what I've heard, Christian churches are better at it. A friend in the sect says that he always feels out of place. -CA
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Good Master
by ClassAvenger inthey asked me why in mark 10:17-18 did jesus did not accept the adjetive "good master" and said "there is none good but one, that is god".
he knows i believe in the trinity and said that if jesus was god, how come he didn't accept this simple adjetive?
he also asked me why if jesus is god and is called the "firstborn" in many verses in the bible such as colossians 1:15, 16, isn't this adjetive applied to the father or the holy spirit, since we believe that firstborn here means having greater rank, preeminence.
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ClassAvenger
On the Baptist forum the argument has already progressed more and there are some opposing the idea of him confirming his Deity. They are saying that in the actual scriptures, it says "why do you call me good?" According to some of them, he wasn't accepting this adjetive. What Neonmadman said makes a lot more sense to me. - CA
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Good Master
by ClassAvenger inthey asked me why in mark 10:17-18 did jesus did not accept the adjetive "good master" and said "there is none good but one, that is god".
he knows i believe in the trinity and said that if jesus was god, how come he didn't accept this simple adjetive?
he also asked me why if jesus is god and is called the "firstborn" in many verses in the bible such as colossians 1:15, 16, isn't this adjetive applied to the father or the holy spirit, since we believe that firstborn here means having greater rank, preeminence.
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ClassAvenger
I went to a Baptist forum and I got many responses. The explanation was that he was rebuking the person to be careful with his words, and how he addresses people. He never refuted this adjetive, but said God was only good. If he had refuted this adjetive then he would have denied his deity, but since he accepted this adjetive, he confirmed his divinity. I think my question was hard to answer because the question was worded from a Jehovah Witness.
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Pastor Russell NOT the founder of JWs
by Double Edge in.
interesting site i found by some present day bible students that claim the jws shouldn't trace their beginnings back to charles russell..... i wonder what practicing jws would say if they read this (or would they really care)?.
http://www.nsbible.org/pastor_not_founder.htm
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ClassAvenger
I told a Jehovah Witness that the founder of their religion was Charles Taze Russell, and he said that I was mistaken. That Jehovah Witnesses have always existed and that Charles Taze Russell just put things in place. He said that they wouldn't follow a man-made religion. I learn more as I talk to these people...
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God's Appearances in the Old Testament
by hooberus in"and the lord appeared unto him in the plains of mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; and he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, and said, my lord, if now i have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, i pray thee, from thy servant: let a little water, i pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:" genesis 18:1-4. comment: the lord (hebrew yhwh) appeared in the form of a man with feet to abraham.. .
and upon the nobles of the children of israel he laid not his hand: also they saw god, and did eat and drink.
" exodus 24:9-11 .
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ClassAvenger
I've always thought God was a man since he said "Lets make man in our image" when he created Adam. He then made the woman to help him, but didn't say "Lets make a woman to our image". I've never studied this though, I have a lot to learn.
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Good Master
by ClassAvenger inthey asked me why in mark 10:17-18 did jesus did not accept the adjetive "good master" and said "there is none good but one, that is god".
he knows i believe in the trinity and said that if jesus was god, how come he didn't accept this simple adjetive?
he also asked me why if jesus is god and is called the "firstborn" in many verses in the bible such as colossians 1:15, 16, isn't this adjetive applied to the father or the holy spirit, since we believe that firstborn here means having greater rank, preeminence.
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ClassAvenger
I see this was a pretty hard question for some people to answer.
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Resurrection of Sodoma
by ClassAvenger ini am going to be sharing with a jw and i want to bring up the doctrine of the resurrection of the people of sodoma.
i have heard that the watchtower has contradicted itself by changing this doctrine several times, and in one of the books they say that the "new light" can never contradict the past doctrine, but only build on it i think.
well, post whatever information you guys have on this topic.
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ClassAvenger
So, if you give them one big hit at a time, they'll shut themselves down? I should rethink on how I present information to them. Thanks for the comment.
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Good Master
by ClassAvenger inthey asked me why in mark 10:17-18 did jesus did not accept the adjetive "good master" and said "there is none good but one, that is god".
he knows i believe in the trinity and said that if jesus was god, how come he didn't accept this simple adjetive?
he also asked me why if jesus is god and is called the "firstborn" in many verses in the bible such as colossians 1:15, 16, isn't this adjetive applied to the father or the holy spirit, since we believe that firstborn here means having greater rank, preeminence.
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ClassAvenger
They asked me why in Mark 10:17-18 did Jesus did not accept the adjetive "Good Master" and said "there is none good but one, that is God". He knows I believe in the Trinity and said that if Jesus was God, how come he didn't accept this simple adjetive? He also asked me why if Jesus is God and is called the "firstborn" in many verses in the Bible such as Colossians 1:15, 16, isn't this adjetive applied to the Father or the Holy Spirit, since we believe that firstborn here means having greater rank, preeminence. Again, as in past posts, I am a Christian and I don't want to turn this into a Trinity thread, please only answer Trinitarians or from a Trinitarian point of view. Thanks everyone!