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Watchtower Convention= Kitchener ON Canada- PLEASE GET INVOLVED
by apocalypse inthe 2004 convention season is under way, and we are going to the "walk with god" district convention at the kitchener memorial auditorium june 18-20,2004. now, we had a letter read out that said:.
1) do not contact the auditorium.
http://www.city.kitchener.on.ca/aud/contact_us.htm.
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Watchtower Convention= Kitchener ON Canada- PLEASE GET INVOLVED
by apocalypse inthe 2004 convention season is under way, and we are going to the "walk with god" district convention at the kitchener memorial auditorium june 18-20,2004. now, we had a letter read out that said:.
1) do not contact the auditorium.
http://www.city.kitchener.on.ca/aud/contact_us.htm.
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The 2004 convention season is under way, and we are going to the "Walk With God" District convention at the Kitchener Memorial Auditorium June 18-20,2004
Now, we had a letter read out that said:
1) DO NOT CONTACT the Auditorium. http://www.city.kitchener.on.ca/aud/contact_us.htm
2) The food vendors would be "disruptive and expensive" if allowed to open.
3) The Auditorium would "forbid any food, even for those with special dietary needs" if allowed to open.
4) Do not go to restaurants, basically during convention hours. (Pre-session, or lunch.) You have to go to a grocery store and buy your bread and meat, cut the bun yourself, put the meat on it, and wrap it yourself. Jehovah's Witnesses are hereby BANNED from a hot lunch or breakfast!
Bending the rules, elders have said that if you want to go to a fast food place, then conceal the food before bringing it in. For example, "pour your Tim Horton coffee into a thermos". "Pack you Big Mac in a brown paper bag"
The real reason that Watchtower doesn't want the vendors open:
They don't want the competition for the available funds.
If Jehovah's Witnesses are forced to bring their lunch, then there's only one place to put their money.
IN THE CONTRIBUTION BOX.
The presence of vendors would cut deeply into their "take" as fixed available funds would find their way into the vendors tills instead od Watchtower's coffers.
Proof for outsiders: Go to the convention early and watch the hundreds upon hundreds of CONTRIBUTION BOX (es) magically appear just before the throngs come in, then disappear after the sessions start. The boxes, now empty, magically re-appear in still larger numbers just before lunchtime only to disappear as sessions resume post lunch. They re-emerge, again empty, just as the sessions finalize to drain off the funds of those who pass by.
THE SCIENCE OF MONEY.
I believe Watchtower LIED. Do the "vendors" insist that if they are open, JWs cannot bring in ANY food.
Let's have the truth.
Contact "The AUD"
Mailing Address
Kitchener Memorial Auditorium Complex
400 East Avenue
Kitchener, Ontario
N2H 1Z6Staff Contacts Administration Office Kim Kugler Manager (519) 741-2544 Sue Orlik Administrative Assistant (519) 741-2664 Bob Stevenson Supervisor, Building Operations (519) 741-2546 Jeff Coulter Supervisor, Event Operations (519) 741-2617 Ann Evoy Facility Booking Coordinator (519) 741-2545 Kay Lee Information Clerk (519) 741-2699 General Info Number: (519) 741-2699
Box Office: (519) 745-0303 or 1-800-265-6368
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Do you have "Will" leaving your estate to the WTB&TS
by Nadsam in.
do you have will ?...do you really intend to leave it to some swine pedophile loving cult.. .
nadsam...your friendly neighborhood apostate.
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Ha..Ha.
I am still "in", until things change with my aged family members. But I have not now, nor have I ever bequeathed one red cent to Babeltower.
Furthermore, since I am in, I have the opportunity to help others learn the truth about the Governing B's.
One family of four that I enlightened had left a large chunk in their will, to the Filthtower. They have since quit the tower and are thankful for being "enlightened" with "the truth" about "the troof".
As soon as the "truth" hit home, they RAN out to the lawyer and stripped Bilgetower out of the will.
To hell with the tower.
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The UN Posts Their Letter!
by jgnat indid our letter-writing campaign work?
http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf.
here are some lovely instructions drafted by syn, and hosted by valis, on how to navigate to the site yourself.. http://www.sassquatch.com/syn/un_ngo_letter/.
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This new development is great folks. Let's not underestimate it.
At the same time, you have to remember that we are dealing with a "cult", and people that are so indoctrinated will make excuses all the way to the front of the kool aid line. Read the full story of Jim Jones.
Change for dubs only comes with wrenching pain. I know this well.
So, if you intend to open the eyes of a dub, you must inflict pain.
Lots of it.
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The UN Posts Their Letter!
by jgnat indid our letter-writing campaign work?
http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf.
here are some lovely instructions drafted by syn, and hosted by valis, on how to navigate to the site yourself.. http://www.sassquatch.com/syn/un_ngo_letter/.
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I am truly gratified by what I have found today........Kudos to us all...!!
I want to thank Hawkaw for giving me the heads up by phone today.
Recently, we had a "sister" in our house, (we have been slowly feeding her information) and one night a few weeks ago, I sat her down at my kitchen table and started telling her about the UN event.
I showed her, and read aloud the information, including the email exchange between Watchower's (rep) Paul Gilles and Stephen Bates (for The Guardian) and included info about my own personal involvement.
(I had called P.H. at UN the day before he faxed Hawk the letter and added my desperate plea for him to do this for us. It was an emotionally draining yet rewarding experience.)
The 'sister's' eyes got WIDE and she has since quit entirely. She said that this visit (to our kitchen) was different than the time I came to give her a "shepherding call" at her house LOL.
Only time will tell where we go from here, but I will give you this.
<<<<<<<<THE WATCHTOWER IS GOING DOWN>>>>>>>>>
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Gems from the first day of our two-day circuit assembly.
by apocalypse inthe last part of the day was the most interesting.
(apostates apostates) but i will get to that in a second.
first, i will mention the circuit overlord?s spew.. .
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The last part of the day was the most interesting. (apostates apostates) But I will get to that in a second. First, I will mention the circuit overlord?s spew.
He began about ?despair? and how 330 million people are suffering from depressions etc. (Bring everyone down) He mentions ?utter loss of hope? as the underlying reason. Then he says ?hope has to be meaningful, not promises that never come about?? and ?not man?s promises but God?s?.
Man. What a hypocrite?.
What about all those ?promises? that the Society made? And in God?s name no less. Did the world end in 1925, 1975, 1994, 2000???
And low and behold the brother they drag onto the platform to interview. A pioneer and former elder who is a two-time nervous breakdown charity case, no longer serving as an elder because of health problems that they didn?t want to talk about because he?s a nervous wreck due to his stupid lifestyle choice of burning the candle on both ends trying to meet all the rules made by the Governing Satan in New York.
Then he brought the hammer down by saying we ?understand deeper things? because we have the ?faithful slave? and said Matthew 24:45-47 shows that ?Jesus promised that the slave would come?? ??.(Oh my god!!) That?s all this overlord knows, how to harp on Matthew 24:45, over and over and over.
He said ?we have to meditate like a cow ruminating? so that we understand the scriptures. Ha! Seems to me that THAT is exactly where a JW?s problem begins. When he/she starts to ruminate and realizes a contradiction. From there it?s all down hill till the JW quits or is expelled and is henceforth referred to as an apostate.
Then the final part. The goodun??.
This guy went right into ?APOSTATES? practically from the word go. He went on that ?they rebel against the bible?. oppose the faithful slave? are known for speaking twisted things? half truths? ?
Then he talked about ?TV programs? and said they are all like ?the National Enquirer? looking to titillate people. ?all false, all false I tell you rant RANT?
He referred to the information as ?erroneous?
He said ??they never tell you that WE ABHOR SEXUAL ABUSE?? (a line right verbatim out of their propaganda)
?.and ??they never tell you that EVERY ALLEGATION IS REPORTED TO AUTHORITIES?
I would like to confront that lying Sack of manure with this question
?Brother Sack, you said that ?we report every allegation to authorities?, yet the Society has written a public release that says they only report allegations of sexual abuse in the areas that local authorities require it. So which is the truth?
And I would say ?Brother Sack, what the Society has released on this issue shows that they don?t want to report except that they are forced to report in some states, otherwise they would be just too happy to bury the truth.
And that brother Sack is at the heart of the issue, because if the Society really did do as you said then they wouldn?t be in such a pickle, now would they brother Sack?.
Then he rounded out by saying ?if a program is designed to attack the faithful slave, AVOID IT? (putting fear in the hearts of the sheep)
Where in the 5 th Estate program was there anything ?attacking? their little gods in Brooklyn. Their damned policy was being attacked and with the truth no less!
I know that this was about the 5 th Estate program because in our elders/ms meeting with that stupid little fart of an overlord, he specifically discussed that program.
And now, this brother Sack 'o manure in his part says that basically the Society didn?t get a word in about how they ?abhor? minors getting raped. Yet we all know the Society DECLINED an on air interview. They ran away! Yet even then, the 5 th Estate did give air time to their supid J.R. Brown tape saying they ?abhor??
Lying hypocrites!
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THEY'VE DONE IT!!!! The WBTS set a new date!
by dmouse inthe latest watchtower, dec 15th 2003, is an out and out attack on the rank and file for dropping into a drowsy state spiritually.
ok, so armageddon didn't come before the generation of 1914 grew old and died.
but does that mean that the big a isn't near?
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I am going to have fun with this one.
My comment for that Sunday will sound like this.
"So we see that given the time span of the last days of Noah's world, that all of the older ones here in the congregation today will not live to see the end...." :)
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A BALTANT LIE in this weeks Isaiah study.
by apocalypse ina baltant lie in this weeks isaiah study.. .
in this weeks book study of the book isaiah vol.2, there is the paragraph i copied here below, page 253 par.
12. read it carefully, and then see the comments below.
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Gamaliel... very interesting. Thanks for the info.
So, it seems that the WTS plays fast and loose with wording. The WTS always wants to make a big thing out of the 1935 Rutherford talk, so they ignore all the crap they printed prior to his 'unholy discourse', and highlight his talk as "new light".
Meanwhile, there was nothing new in his damned talk. Allz they did was dispense with the 'secondary heavenly class'.
Revisionist history at it's best.
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A BALTANT LIE in this weeks Isaiah study.
by apocalypse ina baltant lie in this weeks isaiah study.. .
in this weeks book study of the book isaiah vol.2, there is the paragraph i copied here below, page 253 par.
12. read it carefully, and then see the comments below.
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A BALTANT LIE in this weeks Isaiah study.
In this week’s book study of the book Isaiah vol.2, there is the paragraph I copied here below, page 253 par. 12. Read it carefully, and then see the comments below. Note the highlighted wording.
12 In our time “the foreigners” have made their appearance gradually. Before the first world war, it was understood that a greater number of individuals would receive salvation than the number of those with the hope of ruling in heaven with Jesus—the ones we recognize today as the Israel of God. Bible students were aware of Jesus’ words recorded at John 10:16: “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.” These “other sheep” were understood to be an earthly class. But most Bible Students believed that the other sheep would make their appearance during the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ.
:: Besides the fact that this is not proper English sentence structure, which causes the reader to stumble over the words several times until an understanding of what they are actually saying is arrived at by the reader, this is clearly a bold LIE.
:: Clearly, the Watchtower is here asserting that prior to 1914, there was already existing in Watchtower literature, the idea, the teaching, the concept, the DOGMA, that there was an Earth-bound group of Christ’s followers. They say the “greater number… than the number of those with the hope of ruling in heaven”
:: NOWHERE in pre-Rutherford Watchtower writings is there ANY mention of an “Earthly class”, but rather a secondary “heavenly class” that was basically inferior to the better class.
:: I expect to see twisted scripture and such, but seldom does the Watchtower Fable and Crap Society come right out with a DOOZIE like that. A straight out lie.
:: If there was ANY such teaching in old WT literature, then why did they not quote the reference? Because it doesn’t exist!
LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES.
:: This Isaiah book is uncovered as a LIE by the contradicting statement in the Watchtower May 15, 2001, keeping also in mind that the Isaiah book vol.2 was also printed in 2001. Behold the quotes below from that article.
*** w01 5/15 p. 14 ‘Behold! The Great Crowd!’ ***
A Long-Standing Question
From the time of the apostle John until our day, Christians had been puzzled about the identity of the “great multitude.” The Bible Students regarded the great crowd as a secondary heavenly class, a group that had knowledge of Bible truth but did little about spreading it.
There were, however, certain associates of the anointed Christians who became very zealous in the preaching work. They had no aspirations of going to heaven. Indeed, their hope was in line with the public talk “Millions Now Living Will Never Die,” featured by Jehovah’s people from 1918 to 1922. Such individuals would be blessed with everlasting life on earth.
More Rays of Light
In the year 1931, Vindication, Book One, discussed Ezekiel chapter 9 and identified those marked on the forehead for preservation at the world’s end as the sheep of Jesus’ parable. Vindication, Book Three (published in 1932), described the upright heart attitude of the non-Israelite man Jehonadab, who got into the chariot of Israel’s anointed King Jehu and went along to see Jehu’s zeal in executing false worshipers. (2 Kings 10:15-28) The book said: “Jehonadab represented or foreshadowed that class of people now on the earth [who] are out of harmony with Satan’s organization, who take their stand on the side of righteousness, and are the ones whom the Lord will preserve during the time of Armageddon, take them through that trouble, and give them everlasting life on the earth. These constitute the ‘sheep’ class.”
In 1934, The Watchtower made it clear that Christians with an earthly hope should make a dedication to Jehovah and be baptized. The light regarding this earthly class was indeed shining ever more brightly!—Proverbs 4:18.
A Brilliant Flash of Understanding
The understanding of Revelation 7:9-17 was about to shine forth in sparkling brilliance. (Psalm 97:11) The Watchtower had expressed the hope that a convention scheduled for May 30 to June 3, 1935, in Washington, D.C., U.S.A., would be “a real comfort and benefit” to those pictured by Jehonadab. And that it proved to be!
In a stirring talk on “The Great Multitude,” delivered to about 20,000 conventioners, J. F. Rutherford presented Scriptural proof that the modern-day “other sheep” are identical with that “great crowd” of Revelation 7:9. (John 10:16) At the climax of this talk, the speaker asked: “Will all those who have the hope of living forever on the earth please stand?” As a large part of the audience stood up, Rutherford declared: “Behold! The great multitude!” There was a hush, followed by loud cheering. On the following day, 840 new Witnesses of Jehovah were baptized, most of these professing to be of the great crowd.
The Watchtower is SATANIC, as “Satan is the father of the lie” by their own words
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Typical run and hide from controversy by the dubs.
by undercover ini was lurking on the pure language board and came across a post about 607 verses 586/587.
no one really gave a good defense of it and before it could really get going, they closed the thread.
insight books has a good explanation of pivotal dates.
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Historians accept that Cyrus conquered Babylon in October 539 B.C.E. ...
Here the braindead draws from the well of historicity.
Well as Witnesses of Jehovah we know that humans are not to be trusted and that historical data can be manipulated.
Here, the braindead poison the well so that any further discussion based on historicity is quashed.
The Watchtower tells dubbs when to get up in the morning, so that they can do their text, when to go to bed at night, so that they can get up for service, how to dress, talk, walk, groom, and poop, and then they lambaste the hypocrites of Jesus day for attempting to control the lives of Jews into minutia.
Let's go over it together. H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S